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and good afternoon Frank here with

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another episode of UFO news network

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Sunday and we are ready to go with a

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couple fantastic guests let me bring in

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my co-host Chen Hanna and chant come on

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in and introduce we have with us today

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you bet

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we have a very special show today it's

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2019 UFO Congress preview special show

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with special guests karen Burrard and

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Alejandro Rojas Karen Burrard is a new

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owner of the UFO Congress in Phoenix

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Arizona Alejandro Rojas is a director of

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operations for open minds production the

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host for open minds UFO radio editor and

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contributing writer for open minds TV

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and is a UFO researcher welcome to our

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show Karen in Alejandro thank you hello

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so wonderful to have you on the show

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today thank you for taking the time to

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be with us the first question I have for

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you is we're very excited about

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International UFO Congress I know I am I

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plan on attending and it looks like you

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have a great lineup of guest speakers

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please tell us all about it well I feel

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like they're a great list of speakers

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because I put it together myself

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but yeah we have sort of a mixture what

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I'd like to do is get about half more

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research sightings things that you can

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document eyewitnesses and then the other

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thing I'd like to include is I'd like to

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include contactees because I think if we

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have we're going to look at this yes if

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we're now believing these UFOs are real

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pilots are seeing them lots of people

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seeing them and they've been seeing them

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for a very long time if we're gonna say

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that this is happening and but we don't

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know what it is we have to go to the

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next step and say if we know that this

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is technology that we do not have that

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the humans are not capable of yet

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then we can surmise that whatever these

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in whatever they're from another

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generation they have technology we don't

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have which means they could be millions

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of years ahead of us and if you just

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think what's gone on in the last hundred

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years

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difference in technology from what they

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have in what we have and if that's true

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then

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could have technologies they could be so

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many different things that we don't even

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understand so why not that they can

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visit us why not that there's some

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people that they've studied maybe

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they've taken them somewhere taking them

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in a ship because so many people report

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the same exact scenarios and these

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aren't people who are into UFOs

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beforehand I mean this is something that

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happens to them and then they report

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that the same things that are happening

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over and over so I think we really need

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to examine this phenomenon because if

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we're gonna say that the U of those are

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real we gotta surmise that you know it's

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a great possibility that there's some

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kind of living being running these in

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charge of these so if that's true and if

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they have way more technology advanced

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technology than we do then make it maybe

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they can do things that we can't do

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maybe they can read minds maybe they can

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make people travel through walls maybe

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they can dematerialize and materialize

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people just like they did on on Star

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Trek so and that's why I like to include

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these people because these people are

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genuine they're credible and I think

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they we need to you know believe what

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they're saying and I'm very good friends

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with Travis Walton and several of the

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witnesses I have interviewed them in

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person I'm in contact with them and

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they're telling the truth they've gone

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this many years 40 plus years saying

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that this happened and they haven't

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changed their story so I think we really

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need to look at that because that's kind

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of the next step where we might be

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headed yes I agree experiencers

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abductees contact these are all

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extremely vital regarding being able to

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understand their perspectives I also

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wanted to talk to you about the

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wonderful speakers you have at UFO

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Congress it looks like we have a few

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though I wanted to mention George Knapp

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chase cholesky Jeremy Korbel Mark

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Dantonio Travis Walton Paul Hynek James

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Fox Kevin day David Hatcher Childress

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Chris O'Brien Richard Dolan Tracy a

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garbage Calvin Parker and dr. Michael

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Paul masters to name a few

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can you let us know a little bit more

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about any of those folks yes and as far

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as the contactees we have quite a few we

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have Carolyn Cory we also have Charlotte

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man who was the subject of the book

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intruders we have Calvin Parker which he

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involved in the Pascagoula incident we

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have actually Abby Jordan yes I'm sorry

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Charlotte man reported that her father

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was involved in the cape girardeau

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incidents yeah the big cape girardeau

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case where charlotte man was the

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granddaughter of the pastor who said he

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was asked to give last rites to aliens

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that had crashed and I know this is one

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of the cases for instance the woods are

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really into who wrote a book about UFO

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crashes yeah I'm sorry about that

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it was Debby Jordan Coble she was the

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subject of the book intruders and we

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have least at any sort of a new person

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that you don't normally see and she's

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had experience and since she was a child

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with beings from wherever there might be

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from and also interesting enough Mark

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Dantonio is going to talk about

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something that he's never in a big forum

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talked about he himself has experiences

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has contact and even a lot of people

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think oh he's a debunker he's the photo

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analysis for MUFON and he never believes

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anything is something you know

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suspicious he always finds an answer for

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anything out there well he's had his own

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experiences and he's going to talk about

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those for the first time so that's going

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to be very interesting a scientist who

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is a many that wanted to ask you Karen

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aside from UFO Congress which is

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something that everybody should go to

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because it's the largest UFO Congress on

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the planet I'm sorry a UFO conference on

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the planet wanted to ask you how did you

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get involved in this topic that we are

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also passionate about researching well

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it's kind of interesting I always had an

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interest in UFOs I've read some UFO

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books growing up actually went to a

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Stanton Friedman lecture about 20 years

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ago by myself when I was married and had

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young kids but then kind of it faded in

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the background until about 2011 when I

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saw interesting enough I saw a news

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segment on the Dome of the rock UFO now

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I know that that's been shown to be a

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hoax so many people believe it is real

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but it's and it happened in Israel that

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but it it looks very compelling and it

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had different people had

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different videos of the same instance so

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it just really sparked my interest and I

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started looking on the internet about

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different UFO sightings and and I came

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upon I came upon a page that talked

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about the UFO Congress and I had no idea

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that that UFO Commerce's even existed

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much less there was going to be one in

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my city in the next month so I was very

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excited and I went to the Congress by

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myself didn't know a single soul sat

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there took notes all day long but I did

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meet a few people I met I met Richard

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Dolan who I thought was very credible

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I met John Alexander who I already read

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his book because I had been that month I

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read like 30 books Lesley Kane was there

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I had read her books so I was really

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excited and I and I learned from Richard

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Dolan that there was a MUFON chapter

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right in our city and that he was going

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to be there in August so I came in

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August and I went to the MUFON chapter

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here in Phoenix Arizona and they have a

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raffle where you can buy a raffle ticket

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for a chance to have breakfast with a

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speaker at the state directors and the

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assistant state directors house you have

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breakfast with them and you get to talk

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well for some reason I knew in my head

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something told me to buy a ticket

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because you are going to win and it was

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a very strange feeling but it was like

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the most certain feeling I've ever had

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and I bought this ticket and I waited

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and they called the number and I didn't

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even look at my number I just waited to

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see if anyone else said it was them and

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it wasn't so I looked down and I was

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like sure enough it was me and I won

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this a raffle so the next day I went

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over to Stacey Stacey Wright's house her

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and Jim man run a Phoenix move on and

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Richard omen was there and I got to talk

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to them and it was incredible we just

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had this instant friendship and I ended

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up staying all day and going on a photo

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shoot with them going to open minds and

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looking at all Wendell Stevens

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photographs and books and I was just in

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heaven and then Stacey and I just became

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really good friends after that so I got

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to meet a lot of the different speakers

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I kept going to MUFON meanings and

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eventually I had met alejandro and after

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I had gotten divorced and the

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a year later Alejandro and I started

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dating and just then after that his boss

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decided he didn't want to run the UFO

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Congress anymore and so I thought to

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myself well I think that's something I

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could do and so I invested my retirement

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money in it and that's what happened and

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that's why I'm here today and Alejandra

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have a question for you how did you end

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up to be so lucky to have Karen in your

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life yeah it's a great story in fact I

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want to talk about a few things related

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to this well just to preamble it

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actually another reason to come to the

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UFO Congress is that you a lot of us

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struggle with being having an interest

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in this topic but our significant others

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do not what the UFO Congress you may

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meet someone and fall in love and get

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married with someone who is into this

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stuff and it's happened before so Nick

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snuck off during the event I think it

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was a Friday and he went and got married

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in downtown Phoenix so then he comes

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back and I think they were trying to be

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kind of quiet about it but news got out

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and so you know that was a big deal

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especially at the banquet on Saturday we

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talked about Nick and his wife who was

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there and how they had just gotten

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married also the Dolan so alejandro

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alejandro that that was a quick

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turnaround so yeah I met the future mrs.

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Pope that day and then ran off and got

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married it happened that quite actually

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she as a professor who works out of

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California I can't remember what town

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San Jose may be something like that but

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however they did meet while he was at a

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UFO conference so it's all right that's

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right she's not into UFOs I forgot why

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she was for another kind of conference

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oh yeah that's right and so so he just

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got married at our conference he didn't

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meet her however Richard Dolan and Tracy

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Garbutt they got engaged at the UFO

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Congress a couple years ago in fact I've

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got a great picture of them holding up

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the ring because I was walking by and

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there was a little bit of commotion I'm

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like what's going on over here and

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they're like we just

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engaged and they showed me the ring and

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everything which is really cute

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so and this year at this conference

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they're both going to be speakers that's

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right yeah and what they did meet at a

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UFO conference so I'm just telling you

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guys come to the conference yeah you

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might you know spark some love love

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there but let me answer your original

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story and it kind of dovetails with what

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Karyn had just told you so when she came

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to the UFO Congress now I don't remember

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this so this is all according to her I'm

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not sure if I totally believe the story

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or not but do you believe it 2011 this

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is now the first time I am responsible

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for the UFO Congress first time it's in

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Phoenix area first time it's in Phoenix

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not only am ia co-organizer but I'm the

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host so and I was sick luckily not many

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people knew that but my eyes were

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running and I could barely keep him open

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or see so she says that she kind of she

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saw me when I was there and I didn't

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even acknowledge her and walked off and

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now I don't remember that happening and

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of course I was so busy and frantic that

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I don't doubt her but I don't even

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remember it yes I saw him but he came

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behind the ticket the registration area

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to talk to Angela I think probably at

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the time and I just remember because I

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was so new to this I didn't know who

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anyone was and I was trying to figure

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everything out and I was like who is

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this guy how does he get to run a

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conference that's really interesting

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I wonder you know how this happens so uh

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you know and that was weird for me too

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because anybody who sees me I don't know

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if you've been around I love to smile

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and say hi to everybody especially

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anybody who makes eye contact some

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people who even don't and they maybe

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ignore me but whatever it's just

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something I like to do and so I but a

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few a couple weeks after the conference

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like she said she was a Richard Dolan

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with speaking at Phoenix MUFON a few

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months so that's when I remember Karen

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she when she walked in the door I

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remember thinking she's just got such a

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great smile and a great energy and in

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fact you know I was sitting on the other

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side of the room and rich of course who

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I've known already for years he when she

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the ticket to go to breakfast the next

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day I kind of caught Rich's eye and I

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gave him a thumbs up and he laughed and

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he said yeah I could have done worse uh

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so you know just that he is gonna be

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able to hang out with this this pretty

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lady

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Karen so she became friends with

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actually when she went to open minds I

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wasn't there that day but she became

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friends with Stacey right and so I was

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friends with Stacey and Stacey would

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invite me over usually she'll have a

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dinner a lot of times before the

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speakers come on the next day

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Phoenix MUFON gets great speakers

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because they've got such a big group and

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I Karen would come to these dinners too

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and so we would talk and and she had so

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many questions but they were a great

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question so she would grill me about

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this in that with UFOs and so we just

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became friends and of course she was

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married so I didn't have any you know

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thoughts of like trying to hit on or

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anything but when she got divorced then

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I actually did then I thought you know

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what I should ask her out but I was like

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in a year you know I'm gonna wait at

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least a year after she's divorced I

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don't want to be any part of some

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rebound thing or something so a year

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passes and the Congress is coming up

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again and I'm thinking you know what

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Karen's gonna go I know maybe I'll ask

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her out at the Congress and uh so she

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shows up at the Congress with a

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boyfriend so I was really bummed we

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still had fun actually we hung out a

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couple times especially one time when

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her boyfriend I don't know his due and

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what and we were laughing and having fun

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with the the Hank brothers yeah we dug

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the Hank Stewart just hilarious you guys

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might know him

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some of them Caleb and I guess Micah

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Micah does graylien report and but then

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a few months later we were at again a

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UFO conference we were at in Las Vegas

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at MUFON and they're you know oh this is

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actually pretty funny Jason my coworker

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I got back to our table I was gone and

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Jason tells me Jason McClellan he says

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hey there's a girl here with an a bikini

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who wanted to say hi to you and I was

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like but

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Eddie hate this story it makes me seem

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like I was running around in a bikini

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which is not exactly true yeah well let

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me but let me tell this part then you

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can tell that then you could clarify but

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so I was like no and I was like okay

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what did she look like

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and he said she was tall and blonde and

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I'm like yeah right and I was like well

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how did she look at did she look good at

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the bikini and he's like yeah and I was

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like you're so full of it dude

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you know let's see what's gonna come

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into the conference is tall blonde woman

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and a bikini and say hi to me so I

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thought he was just messing with me but

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later that night you know Karen and I

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started talking during dinner and she

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told me that she no longer had her

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boyfriend and so we really got into a

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great conversation and then it hit me

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and I was like did you come by to say hi

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that she was like yeah and I was like

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were you in a bikini and she said well

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kind of so okay explain oh well it was

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it was Las Vegas in the summer it was

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like 120 degrees and they hadn't started

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yet so I was going to the pool and I'm I

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was on the way to the pool with a

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cover-up on but it might have had like

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you know kind of a mesh cover-up so you

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might have been able to see that I had a

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bathing suit on underneath but I was

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opening my way to the pool when I

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stopped and I had I just went through

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the vending room to say hi to the open

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minds people so that's what happened

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yeah there was like nobody in there and

429
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as long as we're clear on that that was

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funny and that's that's when essentially

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you know I asked her if she wanted to

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sit at our table

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during the MUFON banquet and she she

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actually ditched Stacey at gym to do

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that which now I know it was actually

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you know for her to actually tell

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friends that hey I'm gonna sit with

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someone else is kind of a big deal so

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and I knew that day and I was like oh

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great she must be really it to be so I

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asked her to go out that night so we

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went out to downtown Vegas and had fun

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and then really I think we probably have

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talked except for a couple of times when

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one or the other of us was traveling

446
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we've probably talked every day since

447
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that day probably almost here do now

448
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yeah yeah I didn't really know I didn't

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know if he just wanted and hang out with

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me I didn't really know at all and then

451
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when we got to there were rumors that I

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was gay

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yes there was so I was like well but I

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didn't think so cuz I mean I kind of was

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feeling a little bit there might be

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something there so we get to the Las

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Vegas Strip and he grabs my hand and he

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goes here I'm gonna hold your hand so

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you don't get lost and on my mind I'm

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going is it really so I won't get lost

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or does he like me you know couple hours

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later I figured yeah he actually likes

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me so it's nice to know I have a little

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insight how Karen had an evil plan to

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meet you and it worked out beautifully

466
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yeah we also we also found out that your

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dog pumpkin is a TV star he's a legend

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please tell us a little bit about Chad

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he's amazing well the local news channel

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12 News wanted to do an interview with

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us on national or international UFO day

472
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so a world UFO day sorry so they called

473
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me asked if they could do an interview

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they came over to my house and

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interviewed us and then when we saw the

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newscast on television they included the

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dog as a believer of UFOs and they got a

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nice close-up of my Cavalier King

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Charles Spaniel pumpkin yeah the

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newscaster she was really into animals

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and so she wanted a good shot of pumpkin

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so we worked on that and little did we

483
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know she would included in the news

484
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piece yes he contributes greatly to the

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topic of ufology he is like you were

486
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saying earlier today a controversial

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figure he's cute and credible I kind of

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wanted just to go over a couple more of

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its speakers because I wanna make sure I

490
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already asked you more about those do

491
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thanks sure so um Jeremy Korbel is going

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to be there and he's going to be

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presenting several films and he was

494
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recently on Joe Rogan show because of

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his film I think it was the skinwalker

496
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yeah so um he's a really popular figure

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right now and gonna show some new films

498
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also well he's gonna show some he's

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gonna submit first of all he's good with

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her Film Festival he'll have skinwalker

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and Liz are there so people can see

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those if they have it but he's also

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gonna have

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two short films that are never be seen

505
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never seen before interviews one with

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Edgar Mitchell and the other with Bob

507
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Lazar some more interview footage that

508
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nobody's ever seen that he'll be

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presenting at the Congress and he's not

510
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even sure he's gonna share it anywhere

511
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afterwards that's incredible yeah and

512
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speaking of films James Fox who's done

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several documentaries are he is fabulous

514
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he's going to be showing his new film

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that he's been working on originally it

516
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was called 701 I believe yeah

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referring to the number of Blue Book

518
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cases that weren't solved but right now

519
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I'm not sure if they it's called the

520
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phenomenon and we I only know this

521
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because you just sent us a little blurb

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about his talk and I've been helping a

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little bit with the production with

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connecting with people and contacts and

525
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stuff like that and some footage crap

526
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like that but anyway what I want to

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bring up is unfortunately a lot about

528
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this film is top secret and I can't

529
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share it but this has been going over on

530
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over the months but they got some

531
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incredible footage that we've been

532
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wanting to get for years

533
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that'll be included in the film they've

534
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got interviews from anybody you can

535
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think of who you wish they would get

536
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talk about UFOs practically they got

537
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interviews with the people who are

538
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backing this film again are incredible

539
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people will be shocked when they hear

540
00:22:41,169 --> 00:22:39,649
who made this whole production who

541
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:41,179
funded it and got it made sure it

542
00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:44,210
happened so there is a lot of really

543
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:47,419
exciting stuff with that James Fox's

544
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,970
film and we've all been eagerly awaiting

545
00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:51,679
you know what the heck is he working on

546
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,480
well he'll be sharing some behind the

547
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,520
scenes some clips and a lot about this

548
00:22:59,230 --> 00:22:57,440
for the first time at the UFO Congress

549
00:23:01,090 --> 00:22:59,240
glad you brought him up I wanted to let

550
00:23:03,460 --> 00:23:01,100
everybody know I started interject that

551
00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:03,470
James Fox is a director producer known

552
00:23:09,310 --> 00:23:06,980
for UFOs 50 years of denial done in 97 I

553
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:09,320
know what I saw in 2014 and natural

554
00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:13,520
heroes in 2004 please go on yes okay

555
00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:16,460
let's see Terry Lovelace he is someone

556
00:23:20,289 --> 00:23:17,990
who's just recently come forward he's

557
00:23:22,539 --> 00:23:20,299
got a book he was at he's a lawyer by

558
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:22,549
trade but he had something happened to

559
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,890
him an encounter that's very interesting

560
00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:27,679
chewie Schneider she is known as an

561
00:23:31,930 --> 00:23:29,990
author of different kind of travel books

562
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:31,940
paranormal books and she's gonna do a

563
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:33,770
talk about the great Texas airship

564
00:23:37,330 --> 00:23:36,110
mystery of 1896 yeah I keep talking

565
00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:37,340
about this one because I'm really

566
00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:39,350
excited this is a great case that I

567
00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:42,620
don't know a whole lot about but and and

568
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,470
our good friend noe Torres from Texas

569
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:48,320
runs Roswell books he's got some great

570
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:51,470
talks she he was recommended he

571
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:53,210
recommended her to us because this talk

572
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,130
about is supposed to be well researched

573
00:23:59,560 --> 00:23:57,200
I mean she's a researcher on other

574
00:24:02,260 --> 00:23:59,570
topics so this is her one UFO topic so

575
00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:02,270
I'm really excited for that one right we

576
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:04,040
will be interviewing noe Carlos and

577
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:07,490
Ruben is it yesterday actually later on

578
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:09,500
in July so we look forward to speaking

579
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:12,770
with them yeah and then Paul Enoch of

580
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,040
course he was the son of J Allen Hynek

581
00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:18,320
and he's going to talk about how what it

582
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:21,350
was like growing up as his son we also

583
00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:26,090
have Tracy Garbett who is married to

584
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:27,380
Richard Dolan and she's going to talk

585
00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:30,170
about her experiences with remote

586
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:32,390
viewing yeah she's actually being

587
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:34,610
trained ed she's been breaking up the

588
00:24:40,450 --> 00:24:38,690
recent book about zero sorry dr. Michael

589
00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:40,460
masters he's a professor and he wrote a

590
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:43,100
book about if aliens maybe could be

591
00:24:48,370 --> 00:24:45,890
simply us but from the futures so he has

592
00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:48,380
this theory and presents that which is

593
00:24:52,299 --> 00:24:50,360
very interesting because there's another

594
00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:52,309
other people who have also thought that

595
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:55,070
that might be true if you take a human

596
00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:58,970
body and you know theorize forward you

597
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:00,380
know we hit the babe the brains are

598
00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:02,510
bigger or smarter we use technology we

599
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:04,340
don't need as many muscles we we start

600
00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:06,800
getting smaller so many um you know

601
00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:08,630
changes that our body would make it it

602
00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:10,070
it kind of makes sense if you think

603
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:12,440
about well I'd like to ask people do you

604
00:25:16,810 --> 00:25:14,990
think that we'll ever be able to master

605
00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:16,820
time travel in the future that

606
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:19,280
technology and if they say yes then I

607
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:21,650
say well you're kind of saying then that

608
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:23,210
it we could have people from the future

609
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:26,690
here right now exactly so and I think

610
00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:28,610
that makes it more realistic for people

611
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:31,100
so I think that's a very credible

612
00:25:36,130 --> 00:25:34,610
possibility for the phenomena in fact if

613
00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:36,140
you guys don't mind what do you guys

614
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:38,270
think chant and frank about that you

615
00:25:42,659 --> 00:25:41,000
know potential people well if you're

616
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:42,669
going to travel any great

617
00:25:46,019 --> 00:25:44,470
distance in time you've got to travel a

618
00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:46,029
great distance space too

619
00:25:50,399 --> 00:25:48,220
just to give you an idea if you wanted

620
00:25:52,619 --> 00:25:50,409
to travel six months to the future here

621
00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:52,629
on earth or six months to the past the

622
00:25:56,009 --> 00:25:54,100
earth is going to be on the other side

623
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:56,019
of the Sun from wherever it is you're at

624
00:26:03,499 --> 00:25:57,850
right at the moment so you're talking

625
00:26:09,239 --> 00:26:07,200
you're not really gonna be able to hold

626
00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:09,249
the universe still for you as you're

627
00:26:13,019 --> 00:26:11,230
traveling about time but you know if you

628
00:26:15,869 --> 00:26:13,029
get beyond that then it's as valid a

629
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:15,879
theory as anything that's my opinion you

630
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:17,590
know I hadn't thought of it that way I

631
00:26:21,659 --> 00:26:19,570
guess that some physics say is like how

632
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,669
you bend time so then when it's folded

633
00:26:25,229 --> 00:26:22,960
over it's basically you're wearing

634
00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:25,239
straight through so it's not a point

635
00:26:34,619 --> 00:26:30,549
exactly where you are in space is what

636
00:26:37,979 --> 00:26:34,629
you'll never be in space gonna be all

637
00:26:40,889 --> 00:26:37,989
the way the heck over there galaxy is

638
00:26:44,489 --> 00:26:40,899
moving the earth the solar system is

639
00:26:48,629 --> 00:26:44,499
revolving within the galaxy when you

640
00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:48,639
program in years so when you program

641
00:26:52,859 --> 00:26:50,830
your DeLorean to go into the future

642
00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:52,869
you've got it not only be sure you've

643
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:54,669
got the time right but also the place

644
00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:57,970
exactly exactly you get those four

645
00:27:04,739 --> 00:27:02,230
points four points well X Y T they be

646
00:27:07,229 --> 00:27:04,749
the ETS must have it down because

647
00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:07,239
they're coming here I wanted to mention

648
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:09,700
the multiple disciplinary academic

649
00:27:15,349 --> 00:27:12,369
approach and that dr. Michael Paul a

650
00:27:17,789 --> 00:27:15,359
masters has with this topic his a

651
00:27:21,659 --> 00:27:17,799
important book identified flying objects

652
00:27:23,549 --> 00:27:21,669
assess see as we were talking about a

653
00:27:26,009 --> 00:27:23,559
multidisciplinary scientific approach to

654
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:26,019
the UFO phenomenon is a really important

655
00:27:29,129 --> 00:27:27,850
book and also wanted to mention a little

656
00:27:31,529 --> 00:27:29,139
bit about the author because we've

657
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,539
interviewed him a few times he's not

658
00:27:38,099 --> 00:27:34,480
only very very funny but he's a very

659
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,109
direct individual he knows what he he

660
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:40,720
his thought processes are very important

661
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:42,730
he's very confident about them and he's

662
00:27:47,509 --> 00:27:44,710
a professor of biological anthropology

663
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:47,519
at Montana Montana Tech in Butte Montana

664
00:27:52,019 --> 00:27:50,590
he's also a hunter and we interviewed

665
00:27:55,529 --> 00:27:52,029
him for a fascinating show regarding

666
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:55,539
aliens and hunting what would somebody

667
00:27:58,860 --> 00:27:56,710
do if they came up

668
00:28:01,320 --> 00:27:58,870
upon aliens who were abducting people

669
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:01,330
and he just so happened as a hunter to

670
00:28:05,490 --> 00:28:03,370
have a gun on him what would he do and

671
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:05,500
he said he would put down his weapon and

672
00:28:11,389 --> 00:28:08,409
he would help them because he views them

673
00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:11,399
being extra temperate best rules as

674
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:15,940
scientists who are doing experiments in

675
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:18,399
a manner that he deems our I guess

676
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:21,130
according to him appropriate that's his

677
00:28:25,169 --> 00:28:22,809
perspective and he would help them

678
00:28:27,299 --> 00:28:25,179
regarding their scientific analysis and

679
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:27,309
studies of that top oh he would help do

680
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:28,690
the aliens yes you would help you yeah

681
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:30,250
and it'd be like hey you need another

682
00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:34,990
lab if they're not you know harming us

683
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:36,220
if they're if that's all they are

684
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:39,070
actually doing its collecting research I

685
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:41,110
feel like that that's okay I mean that's

686
00:28:44,669 --> 00:28:42,580
what that's what we do that's what we

687
00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:44,679
would do if we went to some interesting

688
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:47,380
I was already excited his talk in his

689
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:00,480
just let them know you know you don't

690
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:03,580
have to be super serious yeah well I

691
00:29:10,169 --> 00:29:05,230
mean if anyone who knew Alejandro knows

692
00:29:12,779 --> 00:29:10,179
that not to be true you actually nailed

693
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:12,789
it correctly it that's his perspective

694
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:15,940
and that is that if it's just simply in

695
00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:19,210
a scientist ient if ik manner for a data

696
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,539
collection that he's fine with that also

697
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:24,159
talked at some length about how

698
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:26,950
enthusiastic he would be about traveling

699
00:29:33,389 --> 00:29:30,730
back in time you know anthropology sort

700
00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:33,399
of hands-on in the moment yeah go ahead

701
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:36,070
sorry about I was just gonna mention um

702
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:40,690
we recently added Chuck Zukowski and he

703
00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:41,950
has been a friend of ours for a very

704
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:44,140
long time he was involved in MUFON doing

705
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:45,970
a lot of the cattle mutilations and he

706
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:47,860
has a new show called alien highway and

707
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:50,169
they're going out investigating around

708
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:51,730
the country they went to Roswell and

709
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:52,809
it's a very interesting show and he's a

710
00:29:58,289 --> 00:29:55,720
really fun guy also and also Kevin day

711
00:30:00,690 --> 00:29:58,299
who was part of the show unidentified

712
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:00,700
and he was one of the he's a radar guy

713
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:02,770
from the Nimitz is that correct very

714
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:12,769
it's encounter yes you're right

715
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:14,870
so and he saw these things on radar and

716
00:30:19,999 --> 00:30:17,909
scrambled jets to go out and see what

717
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,009
they were so he'll be talking about that

718
00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:22,500
which will be really interesting and one

719
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:23,789
thing I wanted to really talk about is

720
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:26,279
we have experienced their sessions we

721
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:28,169
have them in the morning and a couple of

722
00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:30,179
the evenings also and they're

723
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:33,509
facilitated by licensed practitioners we

724
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:37,320
have therapists and PhDs and they're

725
00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:38,580
they're going to be smaller than they

726
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:39,630
have in the past because we're gonna

727
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:41,250
have two different rooms going on at the

728
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:43,289
same time so everybody will get it you

729
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:44,610
know more people get a chance to talk

730
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:46,950
and share their experiences with others

731
00:30:52,999 --> 00:30:50,330
and you know it'll be moderated and so

732
00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:53,009
so things you know we'll try to get as

733
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,950
many people in to talk as we can but

734
00:31:00,259 --> 00:30:58,320
that's something that we like to you

735
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,269
know allow these people a time to talk

736
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,100
about their own experiences so you don't

737
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:03,600
eat just come in listen to lectures you

738
00:31:07,249 --> 00:31:05,580
also have a chance to talk to other

739
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:07,259
people about their experiences your own

740
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,720
experiences compare notes and it just

741
00:31:15,019 --> 00:31:12,480
kind of creates a community and and

742
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:15,029
people really come enjoy those and they

743
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,919
start coming back year after year and it

744
00:31:21,139 --> 00:31:19,620
also it becomes like a family reunion I

745
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:21,149
think people have been coming back some

746
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:22,529
of them have come back for every single

747
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:24,840
one and this will be the 28th year and

748
00:31:29,419 --> 00:31:26,970
Karen actually has one of the most

749
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,429
important points of all is exactly what

750
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:31,980
she said going to these conferences

751
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,710
especially the UFO Congress one which is

752
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,659
the biggest on the planet it's important

753
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:39,000
to go to UFO Congress not just for the

754
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:40,919
reasons we've laid out here and how

755
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:43,049
wonderful the conference is in general

756
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:45,179
but because of the lifelong friendships

757
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,620
that you can make when you go to these

758
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:49,440
conferences and these kinds of

759
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:50,820
friendships are really important

760
00:31:55,009 --> 00:31:52,470
especially if you want to network and

761
00:31:58,039 --> 00:31:55,019
find out more about the phenomena I

762
00:32:01,940 --> 00:31:58,049
wanted to move on to an interesting

763
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,950
topic and that has go ahead we just have

764
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:03,720
a couple more people we wanted to

765
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:07,049
mention cuz I don't we go ahead okay I'm

766
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:07,519
sorry

767
00:32:14,180 --> 00:32:11,610
go ahead yeah well I especially three of

768
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:14,190
our best friends that are at the top of

769
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:16,470
the page we forgot to talked about these

770
00:32:19,879 --> 00:32:18,330
are well the great researchers but some

771
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,889
really good friends too which is chase

772
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:21,659
glad Suki George Knapp and David Hatcher

773
00:32:24,790 --> 00:32:22,710
Childress now

774
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:24,800
they don't need much of an introduction

775
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,990
but George Knapp of course has been

776
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:29,760
breaking the latest greatest news on all

777
00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:31,590
of this and he will be sharing new

778
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:34,830
updates that he's discovered with a tip

779
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:37,020
and all of this kind of Pentagon UFO

780
00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:38,520
project and everything that's going on

781
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:40,920
of course David Hatcher Childress's on

782
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,690
ancient aliens he's always a lot of fun

783
00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:44,460
he lives here in Arizona so we hang out

784
00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:46,560
with him quite a bit he's another cool

785
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:49,230
funny guy but chase klutz key is one of

786
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:51,720
our really great friends of course a UFO

787
00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:54,330
researcher she was a director of

788
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,670
Investigations for MUFON for quite some

789
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:58,080
time and did all kinds of great stuff

790
00:33:01,700 --> 00:32:59,610
with MUFON and now she's kind of being

791
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:01,710
independent but and even doing lobbying

792
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:05,040
in Washington Washington DC a bunch of

793
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:06,840
stuff so she's one of our really good

794
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:09,330
friends a great researcher so we're

795
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:10,860
super excited and you know what's cool

796
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:13,860
about her is last year she volunteered

797
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:16,200
to work the conference even though she

798
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:17,670
wasn't a speaker that was so funny

799
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:18,810
because people would come to the table

800
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:20,310
and go hey wait you're chase what do you

801
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:21,720
do are you talking she's like no I'm

802
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,080
just helping out and this year she's

803
00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:26,640
speaking but she's like could I please

804
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:28,470
help work the front table again and

805
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:29,580
we're like are you sure you don't have

806
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:31,170
to it she's like I want to I want to

807
00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:32,760
help out I want to do it guy had so much

808
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:35,040
fun and of course our family helped out

809
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:38,030
too so our family is looking forward to

810
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:40,140
hanging out with her and working with

811
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:41,700
her at the front desk

812
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,190
she'll be checking you in and giving you

813
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:46,080
your badge when you come in yeah we love

814
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:48,420
chase and I just want to touch on I just

815
00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:50,250
want to let every give everybody shout

816
00:33:54,650 --> 00:33:51,750
out we have Christopher O'Brien who's

817
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:54,660
been a longtime researcher and he's also

818
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,810
presenting a a monitoring system for

819
00:34:02,660 --> 00:33:59,820
UFOs that he's going to be explaining

820
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:02,670
and presenting in addition Sonya Barrett

821
00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:04,710
she's going to do a lecture called

822
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,300
exploring the technology of mind

823
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:08,280
consciousness and our DNA reality codes

824
00:34:12,350 --> 00:34:09,600
so I think that's going to be very

825
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,360
interesting sort of a theoretical talk

826
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:14,820
and and I just wanted to mention we have

827
00:34:20,090 --> 00:34:17,300
on Smith who has been a longtime

828
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:20,100
therapist who's worked with regression

829
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:21,480
therapy and worked with people who think

830
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:22,980
they've had contact she's gonna be one

831
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,620
of the experiencer session facilitators

832
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:27,780
in addition to Rebecca Hardcastle right

833
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:32,190
PhD and Kathleen Martin who is the niece

834
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:35,550
of Betty and Barney Hill a Betty and

835
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,429
Barney also

836
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,260
charge of the abduction research group

837
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,240
right for me fun yeah and then we're

838
00:34:44,369 --> 00:34:43,119
also having lunch lunch workshops this

839
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:44,379
year this is something that we're doing

840
00:34:48,809 --> 00:34:47,050
new this year so you can come in and

841
00:34:50,579 --> 00:34:48,819
here just if you even just want to

842
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:50,589
that's all you have as a lunch you can

843
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:53,649
come and get a lunch box lunch and

844
00:34:57,839 --> 00:34:55,540
listen to you one of our speakers and

845
00:34:59,730 --> 00:34:57,849
we're gonna have Travis Walton he's

846
00:35:01,740 --> 00:34:59,740
gonna be one of our our guests and in

847
00:35:03,329 --> 00:35:01,750
addition Rebecca Hardcastle and David

848
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:03,339
Hale had your Childress is going to do

849
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:04,690
once you get more of a one-on-one

850
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:07,630
close-up session with him

851
00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:10,150
Carolyn Cory Kathleen Martin Richard

852
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,000
Dolan we're also going to be one of the

853
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,040
lunchtime workshops and Carolyn Cory and

854
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:17,800
Kathleen Martin one of theirs each has

855
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,700
one regression therapy so you'll go in

856
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:24,160
and be regressed and see what comes out

857
00:35:30,569 --> 00:35:27,460
of that and finally we have a sky watch

858
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:30,579
with Ben Hansen and Ben Hansen has been

859
00:35:34,859 --> 00:35:32,200
a UFO investigator a paranormal

860
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:34,869
investigator and he recently he was on

861
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:37,390
Syfy's factor fake he has a new show on

862
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:39,910
now I think it's the Travel Channel and

863
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:42,430
it's ghosts of Morgan City and he's

864
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,930
gonna take us up to South Mountain we're

865
00:35:48,569 --> 00:35:45,520
gonna get on a bus go to South Mountain

866
00:35:50,579 --> 00:35:48,579
and he's going to have his night-vision

867
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,589
goggles there so we'll be able to look

868
00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:52,480
at the sky and he'll explain what people

869
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:54,670
are seeing yeah we just posted a great

870
00:36:00,240 --> 00:35:58,510
lecture of his from the sky fire summit

871
00:36:03,569 --> 00:36:00,250
which was the 40th anniversary event

872
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:03,579
near where for Travis Walton near where

873
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:05,980
his experience happened Karen actually

874
00:36:13,859 --> 00:36:10,720
put that together but on the that was my

875
00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:13,869
work on the UFO Congress YouTube we've

876
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:16,180
just posted a great lecture by Ben where

877
00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:19,690
he kind of analyzes presidential

878
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:22,359
statements on Jimmy Kimmel he does like

879
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:25,750
a you know analyzes their mannerisms and

880
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:27,369
everything yeah just try to see what if

881
00:36:31,099 --> 00:36:28,930
they're telling the truth but what he

882
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,109
what he thinks that's going on behind

883
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:34,240
yeah he used to work for the FBI and he

884
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:36,190
says he's not an expert in this but he

885
00:36:40,319 --> 00:36:38,290
did a lot of work with experts on this

886
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,329
and so he's just applying what he was

887
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:43,359
able to learn when he was working with

888
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:47,130
these analysts and the FBI reminds me a

889
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:49,750
conference the sky fire summit this

890
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:52,390
in a barn and it was really cold and we

891
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,450
had like makeshift like old video

892
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:58,240
cassette players in old monitors and it

893
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:00,070
was the craziest thing but somehow we

894
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:01,570
pulled it off and the videos don't look

895
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:02,110
half bad

896
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:03,610
yeah the videos look like kind of like

897
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:05,770
stranger things as if they were taken in

898
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:09,040
the 80s actually couple years ago and

899
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:11,530
that is covered on open minds dot TVs

900
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:13,300
that correct that is correct

901
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:18,400
okay access the UFO Congress YouTube you

902
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:20,530
can access free videos and we're

903
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:23,530
uploading all the Skyfire summit videos

904
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:25,360
right now so there's a few of them up

905
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:26,770
there already but you can go to a

906
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,140
beautiful Congress YouTube it's

907
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:30,880
important for our listeners to know and

908
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:33,880
that if you want to find out what Karen

909
00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:35,530
is talking about regarding topic we're

910
00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:37,540
covering here you can go to youtube and

911
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:39,550
look up UFO congress is that right and

912
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:40,840
then they'll find your channel

913
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:43,030
immediately and you can go to our

914
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:46,780
website UFO congress and then you can

915
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:48,310
from there you also can get to what but

916
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:49,690
we have another video portal that has

917
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:53,590
all our lectures from back from 2011 on

918
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,630
that you can access through our video

919
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:57,670
portal from our website and also we have

920
00:38:03,600 --> 00:37:59,050
an online store also where you can

921
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:03,610
purchase t-shirts and LED alien lamps

922
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:06,160
and flying saucer levitating speakers

923
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:08,650
and all sorts of things and t-shirts so

924
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:11,890
you can get to that from there and you

925
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:13,420
read my mind on that thank you I was

926
00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:15,070
gonna bring up the wonderful products

927
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:16,900
that you all sell and I want to let our

928
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:19,270
listeners know you know Karen and

929
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:21,310
Alejandro are not getting rich and able

930
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:23,020
to buy their island from this okay this

931
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:25,870
is to actually support International UFO

932
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:28,780
Congress which has a I'm sure there's

933
00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:30,730
quite a few costs involved regarding

934
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:33,070
running that the biggest UFO conference

935
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:34,450
on the planet

936
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:36,310
so everybody's supporting that also

937
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:39,130
supporting open minds TV right the show

938
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:41,410
and many other things related to what

939
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:45,450
you all do regarding UFO research right

940
00:38:50,430 --> 00:38:47,980
we're no longer probably the largest

941
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:50,440
comforts a couple have come in we do

942
00:39:00,480 --> 00:38:58,530
understand it's still the best and it's

943
00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:00,490
research base and and one cool thing

944
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:01,600
about our conference is you're

945
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:03,190
guaranteed a seat we don't

946
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:05,650
run events at the same time because we

947
00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:07,950
want to feature the research so

948
00:39:11,970 --> 00:39:10,060
sometimes people say well I don't even

949
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:11,980
know this person well the point is well

950
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:13,510
nobody complains these days because they

951
00:39:17,099 --> 00:39:15,609
know if we're bringing em in even if

952
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,109
they've never heard of this person they

953
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:20,079
know that we bring great quality people

954
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:21,550
and that most likely this is going to be

955
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:23,650
somebody that's great and what we love

956
00:39:28,819 --> 00:39:26,290
about that is we're able to introduce a

957
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:28,829
lot of people to the field a lot of

958
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:31,089
researchers got their start because we

959
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:33,130
gave him a shot at the Congress a lot of

960
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:34,810
people heard them and we were amazed by

961
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:36,490
their research and then they were

962
00:39:42,030 --> 00:39:39,700
speaking all over the place so and we're

963
00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:42,040
happy for that and I want to mention our

964
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:44,680
prices are really reasonable like right

965
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:48,490
now and we also have that 10% off so you

966
00:39:52,829 --> 00:39:50,470
can do a five-day conference including

967
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,839
Wednesday night dinner and also Saturday

968
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:54,400
night dinner these are banquets and the

969
00:39:57,780 --> 00:39:56,050
Saturday night one is our Film Festival

970
00:40:00,780 --> 00:39:57,790
awards ceremony and a researcher of the

971
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:00,790
Year awards for $2.99

972
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:04,510
but right now with code hot July you can

973
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:07,750
get 10% off any tickets so that takes

974
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:10,510
the price down quite a bit and remember

975
00:40:14,849 --> 00:40:12,690
this is for five days two banquets we're

976
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:14,859
conferences that are three days one

977
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:17,290
banquet just most conferences cost the

978
00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:19,750
same or more you don't get two dinners

979
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,750
with that so you can also get a lecture

980
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:25,200
only pass if you want to do that that's

981
00:40:32,819 --> 00:40:29,530
259 up until the end of July we have a

982
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:32,829
VIP Starfleet fat pass which with for

983
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:37,300
that it's $6.99 with 10% off and with

984
00:40:41,099 --> 00:40:38,920
that you get reserved seating in the

985
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:41,109
very front two rows you get a special

986
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:46,569
VIP it's a special out to 10% so you can

987
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:50,680
take right and take 10% off so we'll

988
00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:52,450
have a special VIP reception for those

989
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:53,829
people where it's just going to be the

990
00:41:00,359 --> 00:40:57,420
speaker's an open bar you get a t-shirt

991
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:00,369
with that and you get a choice of one of

992
00:41:05,609 --> 00:41:03,220
your lunchtime workshop or the

993
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:05,619
experiencer session groups so it's a

994
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:07,000
really good deal you can also buy just

995
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,160
weekend passes or the Friday through

996
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:11,680
Sunday passes single days half days

997
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:14,170
whole days morning afternoon whatever

998
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:16,030
you want to do you can do that on our

999
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:16,460
web

1000
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,690
WW UFO Congress comm friends go ahead

1001
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:21,680
alejandro

1002
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:24,050
I was just gonna say we also bring our

1003
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:26,270
whole store so you'll have a lot of

1004
00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:28,820
products there plus we have a great big

1005
00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:30,740
vendor room that's packed and bustling

1006
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,599
all the time and this year we're doing

1007
00:41:38,109 --> 00:41:33,920
something kind of new where we're going

1008
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:38,119
to have displays and posters for UFO

1009
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:40,550
sightings we're even gonna have we've

1010
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:42,200
all always got our aliens there which

1011
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,580
people love but we're also gonna have

1012
00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:46,400
some some UFOs and stuff there too so

1013
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,740
people will kind of have a little Museum

1014
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:50,240
section where people will be able to

1015
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:53,450
learn about famous UFO cases as well

1016
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:55,369
yeah oh and I just want admission this

1017
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,690
year we're gonna have somebody we

1018
00:42:02,490 --> 00:41:58,640
haven't had before and somebody we met

1019
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:02,500
at a different conference and they sell

1020
00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:05,810
meteors and things made out of meteors

1021
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:07,820
so this is an actual is it meteor or

1022
00:42:12,310 --> 00:42:09,560
meteorite if it's hit the ground I think

1023
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:12,320
it's a meat-eor meteorite if it hits the

1024
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:14,150
ground yeah their meteorite so we've got

1025
00:42:18,099 --> 00:42:16,460
like yeah in fact he's given me a couple

1026
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:18,109
I've bought maybe one but he's such a

1027
00:42:21,099 --> 00:42:19,400
cool dude we see him at other

1028
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:21,109
conferences were become friends with him

1029
00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:23,510
but like I have a piece and he's got a

1030
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,790
lot of pieces from that Russian one

1031
00:42:29,230 --> 00:42:27,920
we're blue open windows and stuff like

1032
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:29,240
that I'm wearing one right now it's

1033
00:42:34,839 --> 00:42:32,810
called yeah green thing yeah I've got a

1034
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:34,849
piece of that and then there's tektite

1035
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:37,130
he's got which is pretty rare which at

1036
00:42:42,579 --> 00:42:39,800
the Trinity site or no Trinitite which

1037
00:42:45,070 --> 00:42:42,589
is the sand turned to glass from the

1038
00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:45,080
first nuke and I've got a piece of that

1039
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:47,540
and a lot of really cool stuff in fact

1040
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:49,640
he brings some pieces of the Moon and

1041
00:42:54,670 --> 00:42:52,430
Mars that are like tens of thousands of

1042
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:54,680
dollars and don't let you hold them and

1043
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:56,510
look at them so it's kind of like a

1044
00:42:59,890 --> 00:42:58,250
little Museum - yeah it's not really

1045
00:43:01,359 --> 00:42:59,900
incredible and he also if you want

1046
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:01,369
something made out of there you can like

1047
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:04,250
his father has it's kind of famous

1048
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:06,380
actually he has a watch face made by

1049
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:09,140
this well no well no yeah as a moon rock

1050
00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:11,530
a well-known watch designer using that

1051
00:43:16,359 --> 00:43:14,180
that piece and he can have that things

1052
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:16,369
made for you if you pick out a meteorite

1053
00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:17,750
and you want to watch me out of it he

1054
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:21,109
can help you but they have all sorts of

1055
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,210
things earrings

1056
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:24,800
I'll warn you some of our volunteers and

1057
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:27,650
helpers are law enforcement here in the

1058
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:29,480
valley and a Phoenix Valley

1059
00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:32,630
so don't try to steal nothing or they'll

1060
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:33,230
get you

1061
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,960
yeah Marianna yeah I'm definitely going

1062
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:37,520
to be attending that because I'm a rock

1063
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:39,260
and I'm a rock collector wanted to

1064
00:43:43,089 --> 00:43:41,150
mention something funny a Jeff Crouse

1065
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:43,099
the director of a Southern California

1066
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:46,010
Chapter of MUFON he bought a UFO lab

1067
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:47,599
from you all he was just so thrilled

1068
00:43:53,859 --> 00:43:50,150
about it and then I also understand that

1069
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:53,869
you all sold out of the UFO lab when

1070
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:56,630
Alejandro Rojas was 2d lamps we sold out

1071
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:58,010
of those at the ones that we had brought

1072
00:44:01,870 --> 00:44:00,200
we haven't still have tons more here at

1073
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:01,880
our home so you can buy those but the

1074
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:05,480
alien or the flying levitating UFO the

1075
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:07,849
flying saucer levitating speaker lamp is

1076
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:11,089
the one that we sold out but then yeah

1077
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:12,770
he bought that but we have more now in

1078
00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:15,320
stock so but we did sell out at alien

1079
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:17,060
Con where Jeff got hairs yes I mean

1080
00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:18,140
they're they're really cool they're

1081
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:21,800
actually about levitating off the base

1082
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:24,230
about an inch and a half two inches and

1083
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:26,329
music actually sounds really good too

1084
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:30,650
it's theirs oh it's a speaker that's so

1085
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:34,550
fantastic and emotional yeah and you

1086
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:37,220
know maybe in a few years it'll be part

1087
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:39,530
of Siri will have some kind of voice

1088
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,050
activate activated mechanism associated

1089
00:44:51,250 --> 00:44:44,960
with it you could actually attach it to

1090
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:51,260
your Siri or your Alexa in fact I did

1091
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:52,700
that for a period of time

1092
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:54,980
that's incredible I want our listeners

1093
00:44:57,309 --> 00:44:55,730
to be able to see what we're talking

1094
00:44:58,270 --> 00:44:57,319
about because it's such an incredible

1095
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:58,280
product

1096
00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:00,920
you go to a UFO it can you actually let

1097
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:02,390
them know the website to go to regarding

1098
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:04,910
that product yeah you can actually just

1099
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:07,420
go to it UFO Congress calm and I'll the

1100
00:45:11,859 --> 00:45:09,950
tabs along the top of the page you can

1101
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:11,869
go to store and all their products are

1102
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:13,460
found there or if you want to go

1103
00:45:17,650 --> 00:45:15,050
directly to the store you could just do

1104
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:17,660
store got UFO Congress calm so either

1105
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:20,089
way I would say go to UFO Congress calm

1106
00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:22,010
first check out all the speakers and

1107
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:24,109
cool stuff there and once you get your

1108
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:26,089
ticket in your register then go to the

1109
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:31,550
store and start buying buying away ideal

1110
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:34,609
yes in that order Frank did you have any

1111
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:38,329
questions well yeah I'm really curious

1112
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:41,089
about some of the the speakers that you

1113
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,640
have

1114
00:45:45,759 --> 00:45:43,200
and can you give us a better idea of

1115
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:45,769
some of the topics they're gonna become

1116
00:45:50,029 --> 00:45:48,599
okay what's keys and Richard Dolan's

1117
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:50,039
looks like they have some interesting

1118
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:53,339
specific things to talk about yeah I

1119
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,319
mean Chase is gonna be talking about the

1120
00:45:59,479 --> 00:45:57,420
UFO game-changer so she's gonna be kind

1121
00:46:03,349 --> 00:45:59,489
of highlighting how we're in a different

1122
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:03,359
world I mean especially from you know

1123
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:05,460
when I first met chase maybe 15 years

1124
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:08,940
ago at least you know there was the

1125
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:10,890
topic wasn't taken as seriously I think

1126
00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:13,049
over over the last few years it's begun

1127
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:15,869
to get more serious attention but

1128
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:17,369
especially of course in the last couple

1129
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:19,319
of years since we found out that

1130
00:46:25,249 --> 00:46:22,619
Pentagon had a UFO project so the world

1131
00:46:27,319 --> 00:46:25,259
has changed for all of us and she's

1132
00:46:29,859 --> 00:46:27,329
going to be talking about those people

1133
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:29,869
and then of course george knapp and

1134
00:46:35,509 --> 00:46:33,210
jeremy Korbel will also be bringing us

1135
00:46:37,729 --> 00:46:35,519
updates from a tip from kind of

1136
00:46:41,779 --> 00:46:37,739
different perspectives through george's

1137
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:41,789
leaked documents that have mostly all

1138
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:45,180
been verified as real not that I have

1139
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:47,210
any doubt that George is a great

1140
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:49,529
investigative journalist and Yvette's

1141
00:46:54,049 --> 00:46:51,660
these things before he gets them out but

1142
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:54,059
and then jeremy of course focuses on

1143
00:46:58,279 --> 00:46:56,670
Lazar and skinwalker but especially with

1144
00:47:00,489 --> 00:46:58,289
skinwalker and some people don't know

1145
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:00,499
and we found this out in Oregon that

1146
00:47:04,759 --> 00:47:03,089
Jeremy had done some great work to find

1147
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,769
out about David flavor this week

1148
00:47:09,009 --> 00:47:06,480
commander who had the tick-tack UFO

1149
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:09,019
experience with the Nimitz in 2004

1150
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,369
Jeremy's been talking to him for years

1151
00:47:15,019 --> 00:47:13,440
because he did this kind of deep dive he

1152
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:15,029
was like I'm gonna find this dude and he

1153
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:17,099
did so he'll be bring us a lot of

1154
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:21,200
updates along those lines as well but

1155
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,390
beyond that you know like Karen and Joe

1156
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:26,220
hi like this but beyond that you know

1157
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:28,980
like she said we tried with the Congress

1158
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:30,569
even though people who know my work it's

1159
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:33,569
more on the serious side it's more on

1160
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:35,730
research and kind of the nuts and bolts

1161
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,220
and less about the experiences and the

1162
00:47:42,049 --> 00:47:40,200
abductees but with the Congress we try

1163
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:42,059
to cover all the topics that are out

1164
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,660
there and so we have a lot more of that

1165
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:47,400
sort of thing and all that Karen talk

1166
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:49,470
about that but another really important

1167
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:51,569
thing that Karen does we've always tried

1168
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:55,230
to have on our speaker list as much you

1169
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:58,560
gender equity as possible and that's

1170
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:02,640
been a big goal of mine but Karin kind

1171
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:05,070
of brings a better expertise in that

1172
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:07,890
arena and so we have a lot more women on

1173
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:11,510
our on our roster than we typically have

1174
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,190
thankfully and I think that's great so

1175
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:15,839
that's another I think advantage but you

1176
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,609
wanted to talk about and everybody on

1177
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,200
the line up by just to jump in really

1178
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,880
quick everybody in the lineup that I see

1179
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:22,380
that I at least I know there work a

1180
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,579
little bit I don't know everybody

1181
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,680
because well like you say you're looking

1182
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,359
to bring in some people some of them are

1183
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,760
not that Hey but everybody's credible

1184
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,240
everybody that I know is exactly we go

1185
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:35,220
charlatans people that even if they're

1186
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:37,260
talking about something very French we

1187
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:39,270
know that that it's they're not making

1188
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:42,510
stuff up they are genuinely have their

1189
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:44,010
hearts in the right place and they

1190
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,440
believe you know what they're saying is

1191
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:48,180
legit they're not trying to trick people

1192
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:49,800
they're just trying to share information

1193
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:52,500
they believe it's legit yeah for

1194
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:53,970
instance um like we mentioned before

1195
00:48:59,720 --> 00:48:57,599
Debbie Jordan Coble she was the central

1196
00:49:02,900 --> 00:48:59,730
figure in Budd Hopkins book intruders

1197
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:02,910
and it happened this happened in 1983

1198
00:49:13,339 --> 00:49:08,040
and she she was felt like she had an

1199
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:13,349
abduction and sorry pop that so yeah and

1200
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:15,000
there was also a a miniseries about it

1201
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:19,260
um so and she also has gone on to be a

1202
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,060
paranormal researcher so she's going to

1203
00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:23,040
share with you some of her photos and

1204
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:24,630
her artwork and some of our audio clips

1205
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:27,420
also that have EVP evidence because

1206
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:29,460
she's really into the paranormal now but

1207
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:33,000
um yeah she experienced this Oh in 1983

1208
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:36,210
hasn't changed her story and oh and

1209
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:45,500
talked about that so is Kevin right

1210
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:48,569
right so but with Pascagoula you know

1211
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,540
there's like I said you know I have a

1212
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,280
hard time with experience or type of

1213
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:54,900
stuff because it's just so weird and

1214
00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,510
it's hard to verify but there are a few

1215
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,579
really good cases Travis Walton being

1216
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,440
one of them I mean we're friends with

1217
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:04,079
them we've met some of the witnesses in

1218
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,849
fact a lot of people don't know this and

1219
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:07,560
you can't figure this out if you go to

1220
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:08,940
the UFO Congress

1221
00:50:14,090 --> 00:50:11,850
and see some of the incredible panels

1222
00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:14,100
that we posted there because Karen has

1223
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:15,860
actually done some of the best work

1224
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:20,160
finding witnesses to this case so Travis

1225
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,650
is very credible but so is Kelvin

1226
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:25,680
Parker's calico pascagoula you know I

1227
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:27,210
think you all have probably interviewed

1228
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,110
him he's very credible and so we'll be

1229
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:32,640
covering some of that but here's

1230
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:34,470
experience where they came across you

1231
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:36,930
know these entities along with a UFO I

1232
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:39,330
think is a very credible one and when

1233
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,690
you meet him and you hear the details

1234
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:44,040
it's kind of like the Walton case or

1235
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:46,350
some of these others meeting the witness

1236
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:48,810
and hearing it firsthand is some of the

1237
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:50,970
most compelling one of the most

1238
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:52,590
compelling aspects sometimes you can

1239
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:53,940
meet a witness and you're still like I'm

1240
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:55,710
not sure if they're telling the truth or

1241
00:50:59,540 --> 00:50:58,110
not with Kelvin I think you know he's

1242
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:59,550
one of these down-to-earth people where

1243
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:01,140
you're like wow this guy obviously

1244
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:03,150
believes this really happened to him

1245
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:06,390
yeah it's an amazing story and I don't

1246
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,490
know if any of you others on the panel

1247
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:10,500
here are old enough to remember when

1248
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:11,940
that case actually happened but that

1249
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:14,910
case was a huge deal on its day yeah

1250
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,440
fortunately I'm too young no I remember

1251
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:21,180
it well it was it was quite a thrill

1252
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,660
having Calvin on it really was yeah when

1253
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:26,280
I got in touch with him for the first

1254
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:28,050
time or actually Philip got in touch

1255
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:30,390
Philip mantel and he's yeah yeah you got

1256
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:31,770
interview Kelvin I'm like are you

1257
00:51:34,460 --> 00:51:33,030
kidding heck yeah

1258
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:34,470
I've wanted to mention a little bit

1259
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:37,560
about Calvin Gagne Mississippi famous

1260
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,890
for acclaimed UFO abduction in 1973 I'm

1261
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:42,720
sorry that was that was Charles Hickson

1262
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:46,710
but Calvin Parker we interviewed him and

1263
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,140
he was a wonderful interview and just to

1264
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:50,880
touch on the Pascagoula abduction case

1265
00:51:54,830 --> 00:51:53,430
and that is an alleged UFO sighting and

1266
00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:54,840
alien abductions said to have occurred

1267
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,500
in 1973 and I do believe him he came

1268
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:01,440
across as genuine and he did present a

1269
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:06,330
very authentic sounding case and we

1270
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:08,070
interviewed him at length and we really

1271
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,480
thoroughly enjoyed having had the

1272
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:11,280
privilege of interviewing him yes and

1273
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:13,290
the most astonishing unbelievable part

1274
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:16,110
of his story is actually true he had the

1275
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:17,640
chance to go do the Tonight Show with

1276
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:29,080
I just want to mention Chris O'Brien

1277
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:30,590
he's very excited to come to our

1278
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:33,380
conference and in the past he's studied

1279
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:35,420
a lot of the new IPs

1280
00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:38,090
UFOs cattle mutilations crypto creatures

1281
00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:40,700
mostly in South Central Colorado and

1282
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:43,940
north-central New Mexico and he with

1283
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:46,310
some other people has put together when

1284
00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:47,990
he calls the UFO data acquisition

1285
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:50,660
project and and they're using it right

1286
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:52,760
now they've already have it set up in

1287
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:55,850
the San Luis Valley and it has different

1288
00:53:01,630 --> 00:52:57,850
kind of monitoring systems from a magnet

1289
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:01,640
magnetometer Exelero accelerometer

1290
00:53:07,090 --> 00:53:06,140
feller Amador it's like all sorts of

1291
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:07,100
gears

1292
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:10,490
cameras and motion tracking software to

1293
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:13,369
catch these things as they come by and

1294
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:17,900
he's going to present a prototype own or

1295
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:19,460
I guess it's actually a working program

1296
00:53:26,109 --> 00:53:23,900
yeah I think he deserves a lot of credit

1297
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,119
too because for years there's been

1298
00:53:30,070 --> 00:53:27,680
different groups trying to come up with

1299
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:30,080
these kind of devices that can capture

1300
00:53:36,849 --> 00:53:33,140
audio or capture video you know and

1301
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,859
other telemetry with UFO sightings we've

1302
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:39,200
got the UFO data group which a lot of

1303
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:40,730
these were are people that are into the

1304
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:42,140
stars some of the scientists Chris

1305
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:43,790
Mellon was part of this help load off I

1306
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:46,700
believe even had this UFO data project

1307
00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:47,720
where they were going to do the same

1308
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:50,030
thing that never came to fruition Mark

1309
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:51,950
Dantonio has been working with douglas

1310
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:55,369
trumbull of famous special-effects guru

1311
00:53:59,950 --> 00:53:58,130
but he also is famous for building all

1312
00:54:01,830 --> 00:53:59,960
kinds of technology related to

1313
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,840
moviemaking and he's also into UFOs

1314
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:04,160
smarty Antonio has been working with

1315
00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:06,170
douglas trumbull on a similar sort of

1316
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:08,840
project called you photog and i think

1317
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:10,430
they recently changed her name i can't

1318
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:11,810
remember what he said the new name was

1319
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:14,540
but uh but they still haven't gotten

1320
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:17,270
their act together completely for lack

1321
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:21,260
of a better term but you know it's great

1322
00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:23,810
that Chris O'Brien as you know is the

1323
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:25,640
first one out of the gate with an actual

1324
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:29,119
working device and he's already deployed

1325
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:31,400
it they're looking for to deploy it

1326
00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:33,770
further and he's gonna be sharing their

1327
00:54:37,089 --> 00:54:35,660
data and about if

1328
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,099
Meishan about this project and I think

1329
00:54:40,299 --> 00:54:39,200
it's done a great job and this is going

1330
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:40,309
to be something that you can actually

1331
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:41,990
purchase for yourself and it's going to

1332
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:43,970
be less than two thousand dollars right

1333
00:54:48,099 --> 00:54:46,190
and then all this data will come

1334
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:48,109
together in a central air area so we can

1335
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:50,210
compare all across the world eventually

1336
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:52,609
what people are seeing and trying to get

1337
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:53,390
to the bottom of it

1338
00:54:59,890 --> 00:54:55,970
I just want to mention Richard Dolan

1339
00:55:01,809 --> 00:54:59,900
because he's my very first UFO speaker

1340
00:55:04,210 --> 00:55:01,819
my very first friend in this in this

1341
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:04,220
field so I have a soft spot in my heart

1342
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:05,930
for him although the first speaker you

1343
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:08,210
heard was Stan Friedman way back when

1344
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:10,490
that's right but he was actually my

1345
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:12,500
first UFO friend that I get your buddy

1346
00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:16,250
asked questions and the first person I

1347
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:18,140
ever talked to so he's going to be

1348
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:19,670
talking about men materials in the

1349
00:55:24,819 --> 00:55:21,890
secret science of UFOs

1350
00:55:27,730 --> 00:55:24,829
he's been on dozens of TV shows he's got

1351
00:55:29,260 --> 00:55:27,740
his own website and podcast and he's

1352
00:55:31,089 --> 00:55:29,270
just a wealth of information also

1353
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,099
yeah I'm really interested what he has

1354
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:33,200
to say here because you know with the

1355
00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:34,940
television show unidentified which is

1356
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,150
covering on to the Stars work I thought

1357
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:39,920
we were gonna hear more about these

1358
00:55:44,099 --> 00:55:42,650
alleged anomalous materials that they

1359
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:44,109
had I don't remember hearing anything

1360
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:46,520
yeah but they didn't you're right they

1361
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:48,650
did there wasn't an unidentified at all

1362
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:51,529
so we still don't know a whole lot like

1363
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:53,690
if you do research you can find bits and

1364
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:55,730
pieces here and there but you've got to

1365
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,470
kind of compile it yourself there are

1366
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:58,880
some people out there who have put

1367
00:56:03,010 --> 00:56:00,440
together some stories here and there

1368
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:03,020
Jacques Vallee has released a little bit

1369
00:56:08,349 --> 00:56:05,210
of information but I'm really excited

1370
00:56:10,539 --> 00:56:08,359
that Dolan is doing this talk because I

1371
00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:10,549
think he'll be putting together a lot

1372
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:12,260
more information so we'll have a better

1373
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:14,660
picture of what might be out there and

1374
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:16,460
what two stars might be looking at and

1375
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:18,529
what they may have found well I have

1376
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:20,510
been nice enough to go ahead and do that

1377
00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:23,930
starting let's see it was a December of

1378
00:56:29,319 --> 00:56:26,660
17 so I've got a little bit compiled for

1379
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:29,329
the folks I'll post a link at and you

1380
00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:32,210
can go over to my website and take a

1381
00:56:40,269 --> 00:56:35,619
look at that so that's UFO Cartesian a

1382
00:56:44,049 --> 00:56:40,279
partisan partisan right yeah the link is

1383
00:56:46,539 --> 00:56:44,059
in the chat but yeah that that was very

1384
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:46,549
interesting you know it's a very

1385
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:48,690
interesting phenomenon because

1386
00:56:53,029 --> 00:56:50,940
was you know I've been hearing stories

1387
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:53,039
about people finding odd fragments and

1388
00:56:55,279 --> 00:56:53,700
this and that

1389
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,289
and they would spend a lot of money to

1390
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:57,420
get him tested and all they would end up

1391
00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:00,180
with was basically a big bill and we're

1392
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:01,980
going to hear about this and that take a

1393
00:57:06,620 --> 00:57:04,190
little bit of a deeper look and

1394
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,630
professor Stuart's work from Stanford

1395
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:08,700
with some material that he picked up in

1396
00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:11,339
Brazil and some of the other stuff it's

1397
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:13,470
it's quite interesting and we will see

1398
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:15,000
what comes of it I think we're kind of

1399
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:18,660
in a wait-and-see area now though as far

1400
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:19,890
as that the proof is sort of in the

1401
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:21,480
point they've got to finish up the

1402
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:22,770
testing and we'll see what they've got

1403
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:27,049
so it's kind of where it's at now but

1404
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:30,780
it's complicated and the bar is so high

1405
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,390
I mean you have to really have your

1406
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:35,339
ducks in a row and your science has to

1407
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:37,170
be really good if you're gonna be

1408
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:38,660
convincing

1409
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,890
fortunately you also have to get people

1410
00:57:46,490 --> 00:57:43,920
to pay attention but the credibility and

1411
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:46,500
the background of some of these people

1412
00:57:50,059 --> 00:57:47,849
involved with to the stars

1413
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:50,069
it kind of makes it impossible to ignore

1414
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:53,190
any of their alleged findings so I think

1415
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:55,319
that whatever they find will be highly

1416
00:57:59,690 --> 00:57:57,569
scrutinized so hopefully they've done

1417
00:58:03,410 --> 00:57:59,700
their homework too if they're gonna make

1418
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:03,420
any claims that are you know that are

1419
00:58:08,029 --> 00:58:05,910
that they have something anomalous that

1420
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:08,039
I hope they've really done their

1421
00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:09,930
homework so that when it does get

1422
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:12,059
scrutinized by the scientific community

1423
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:13,529
that you know they come to the same

1424
00:58:18,859 --> 00:58:16,980
conclusions which will be groundbreaking

1425
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:18,869
that'll be really a man

1426
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,170
well hey before I check out cuz I have

1427
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:24,000
to go work on the conference I just

1428
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:26,250
wanted to say um everyone always tells

1429
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:27,569
me that how much fun they have at our

1430
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:30,569
conference and the fact that it's they

1431
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:32,819
feel so much of a togetherness because

1432
00:58:37,099 --> 00:58:35,400
we only have one room everybody's in one

1433
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,109
room together and you'd only have to

1434
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:39,420
walk a few steps over to the to the

1435
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,650
vending room if you want to check out

1436
00:58:45,319 --> 00:58:42,480
all the things that people have for sale

1437
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:45,329
and they have a we have also we have

1438
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,369
hands-on therapies and people are doing

1439
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:48,960
readings and things like that

1440
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:50,579
and turn to places to hang out because

1441
00:58:53,779 --> 00:58:52,140
people love to hang out with each other

1442
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:53,789
yeah we're gonna have a by the pool

1443
00:58:57,140 --> 00:58:55,740
where there's a bar area and the pool

1444
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:57,150
and we're gonna have some music for

1445
00:59:01,769 --> 00:58:58,980
people to enjoy it in the evening

1446
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,779
Travis always brings his guitar

1447
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,640
people always seem to break out those

1448
00:59:09,009 --> 00:59:06,319
guitars and be singing around the

1449
00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:09,019
outside and around the fires and stuff

1450
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:11,150
so um I just want to say you know people

1451
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:12,410
really love this they come back year

1452
00:59:16,989 --> 00:59:13,880
after year and I guarantee you'll have a

1453
00:59:18,910 --> 00:59:16,999
great time if you come now as far as the

1454
00:59:20,979 --> 00:59:18,920
folks who show up is there sort of a

1455
00:59:23,019 --> 00:59:20,989
breakdown between local folks and people

1456
00:59:26,190 --> 00:59:23,029
come in from out of town and after it

1457
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:26,200
rooms and so on and so forth and I

1458
00:59:31,269 --> 00:59:29,150
personally at the Sheraton by the way go

1459
00:59:34,329 --> 00:59:31,279
ahead yeah it's at the Sheraton downtown

1460
00:59:38,109 --> 00:59:34,339
next year and in the past we've been at

1461
00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:38,119
a casino a gorgeous Casino Resort that's

1462
00:59:43,390 --> 00:59:40,940
about 20 minutes away so it's a little

1463
00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:43,400
further out of town but even then I

1464
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:45,859
think we've had about a 50/50 mix yeah I

1465
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:47,930
think it's about right but this year

1466
00:59:54,999 --> 00:59:50,210
since we're downtown I think we're gonna

1467
00:59:57,339 --> 00:59:55,009
have a lot of locals now the locals

1468
00:59:59,249 --> 00:59:57,349
don't often go into lectures as much at

1469
01:00:02,079 --> 00:59:59,259
least those who come just for this day

1470
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:02,089
casually the locals although we do have

1471
01:00:06,190 --> 01:00:03,680
a lot of locals that register and get

1472
01:00:07,779 --> 01:00:06,200
full passes you know the casual ones

1473
01:00:09,279 --> 01:00:07,789
hear about it because we get lots of

1474
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,289
media coverage hear about it from the

1475
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:11,599
news they come and go and they go to the

1476
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:14,089
vendor room and so but it creates a

1477
01:00:18,670 --> 01:00:15,650
great environment it's turning new

1478
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:18,680
people on to stuff and it's also you

1479
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,680
know it creates a lot of energy where

1480
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:23,359
you have all these people coming into

1481
01:00:26,499 --> 01:00:24,890
the vendor room and buying stuff and

1482
01:00:28,059 --> 01:00:26,509
looking around it's a lot of fun that

1483
01:00:29,950 --> 01:00:28,069
way and then you have the hardcores

1484
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:29,960
you know in the lecture we're watching

1485
01:00:36,479 --> 01:00:32,390
the lectures so yeah I think this year

1486
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:36,489
it'll probably be more like a 75% locals

1487
01:00:40,329 --> 01:00:38,809
other than people but we have people

1488
01:00:46,509 --> 01:00:40,339
come from all over the world typically

1489
01:00:48,099 --> 01:00:46,519
people from Australia the UK Japan all

1490
01:00:50,859 --> 01:00:48,109
over the place Australia did you say

1491
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:50,869
Australia I did yeah and I just want to

1492
01:00:56,349 --> 01:00:53,569
add because it's so close to the airport

1493
01:00:57,789 --> 01:00:56,359
an uber it's less than five miles away

1494
01:01:00,009 --> 01:00:57,799
you could take an uber and lyft or you

1495
01:01:01,959 --> 01:01:00,019
can also get on the train straight from

1496
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:01,969
the airport you get on a train it takes

1497
01:01:04,989 --> 01:01:03,529
you to the other train station you

1498
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:04,999
transfer to a different train and it

1499
01:01:08,529 --> 01:01:06,920
takes you within two blocks of the hotel

1500
01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:08,539
so you don't even need to rent a car

1501
01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:12,140
right and also can you please let us

1502
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:14,870
know that code again was it hot July yes

1503
01:01:23,110 --> 01:01:18,770
July count all caps h o TG u ly the next

1504
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:23,120
one we should have cool September yeah

1505
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:24,710
that'll be the next one because it's hot

1506
01:01:31,810 --> 01:01:27,110
out here in July right and you mean H o

1507
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:31,820
TJ you ly right yes okay yes understood

1508
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:35,390
on UFO Congress calm that's right you

1509
01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:35,810
got it

1510
01:01:40,270 --> 01:01:37,940
at Karen thank you for having spent the

1511
01:01:42,220 --> 01:01:40,280
time with us today that you do welcome

1512
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:42,230
thank you for having me thanks Karen

1513
01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:45,140
thank you Frank bye-bye hope you have a

1514
01:01:51,820 --> 01:01:47,380
wonderful day Karen and Frank go ahead

1515
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:51,830
yeah so we're in a period where the news

1516
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:54,290
is happening as far as UFO stuff is

1517
01:01:59,170 --> 01:01:57,050
concerned and you still got not quite

1518
01:02:02,170 --> 01:01:59,180
two months until the Congress kicks off

1519
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:02,180
are your speakers prepared to do any

1520
01:02:08,050 --> 01:02:03,890
updates to their presentations in case

1521
01:02:09,970 --> 01:02:08,060
the news warrants it some of them are so

1522
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:09,980
a lot of these people are talking about

1523
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:13,610
things that you know research they've

1524
01:02:19,870 --> 01:02:17,470
done that has already come to pass but

1525
01:02:21,550 --> 01:02:19,880
even David Hatcher Childress of course

1526
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:21,560
talking about ancient aliens so that

1527
01:02:26,290 --> 01:02:23,450
stuff that happened quite some time ago

1528
01:02:29,890 --> 01:02:26,300
however of course we have chase we have

1529
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:29,900
torch nap we have Jeremy Korbel Richard

1530
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:34,040
Dolan let's see who else like maybe even

1531
01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:36,170
Mark Dantonio but Kevin day Chuck

1532
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:38,750
Zukowski these are all people who are

1533
01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:40,910
working on stuff that is late-breaking

1534
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:44,150
that is going on right now so definitely

1535
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,610
all of these people will be prepared in

1536
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:49,520
fact I know for a fact that George Knapp

1537
01:02:55,060 --> 01:02:52,070
is going to have luckily I get to talk

1538
01:02:57,450 --> 01:02:55,070
to Georgia really all of us journalists

1539
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:57,460
and I in this field

1540
01:03:02,890 --> 01:02:59,990
get together quite a bit we talked quite

1541
01:03:05,230 --> 01:03:02,900
a bit and share information and I know

1542
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:05,240
that George has some bombs to drop still

1543
01:03:09,790 --> 01:03:07,730
in the next month or two some great

1544
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:09,800
information and so does Jeremy so

1545
01:03:14,860 --> 01:03:12,590
they'll definitely be sharing the latest

1546
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:14,870
and greatest of course Jeremy has been

1547
01:03:20,310 --> 01:03:17,270
swamped since he's been on Joe Rogan in

1548
01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:20,320
fact he just told me yesterday that his

1549
01:03:26,410 --> 01:03:24,280
documentary on Lazar is the number one

1550
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:26,420
download on Netflix as far as

1551
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:28,410
documentaries so it's

1552
01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:30,180
it's doing incredible especially after

1553
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:33,270
being on Joe Rogan so yeah we will have

1554
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,490
it's been a long time since these guys

1555
01:03:40,070 --> 01:03:38,000
have been at a conference as well I mean

1556
01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:40,080
relatively it's only been a few months

1557
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:43,140
but a lot happens in a few much so for

1558
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:45,290
its nowadays yeah yeah the whole

1559
01:03:49,940 --> 01:03:47,850
unidentified series came and went

1560
01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:49,950
since they've been out of conference so

1561
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:52,200
yeah they will be sharing a lot of

1562
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:54,810
late-breaking information and what did

1563
01:04:00,080 --> 01:03:56,910
you think of the show now that it's all

1564
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:00,090
said and done I love the show

1565
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:02,730
you know I of course I've always got to

1566
01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:04,710
be you know 100 percent honest of course

1567
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:09,540
I always am I was with the last episode

1568
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,450
was not my favorite by far it was all

1569
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:14,640
right I know some of those Italian

1570
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:16,350
researchers for example I've known

1571
01:04:21,730 --> 01:04:18,570
Robert Pineau T for many years and in

1572
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:21,740
fact he spoke at the Congress in 2012

1573
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:24,090
and he's a great guy they're great

1574
01:04:29,810 --> 01:04:27,420
researchers but you know I gotta see the

1575
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:29,820
data I got to see the information I feel

1576
01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:31,890
that they could have added a little bit

1577
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:34,020
more information when it came to the

1578
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:37,740
Italian case I'm not convinced that you

1579
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,650
know that UFO photo was a UFO I'm not

1580
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:42,000
convinced that this helicopter was

1581
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:45,630
beamed by a UFO not to be not that I

1582
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:49,050
doubt the the researchers but I need to

1583
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:52,710
see more to see that and and even though

1584
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:54,660
that's a case I covered and I know for a

1585
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,730
fact they got some information for the

1586
01:05:00,830 --> 01:04:58,740
show from some of my some of what I've

1587
01:05:03,380 --> 01:05:00,840
written about and I should say that what

1588
01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:03,390
I wrote about I was first tuned in to

1589
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:06,180
this whole case from Paula Harris who of

1590
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,090
course is from Italy and does Italian

1591
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:12,720
research but yeah that stuff I wasn't as

1592
01:05:16,490 --> 01:05:14,790
impressed was I was impressed that they

1593
01:05:18,590 --> 01:05:16,500
were working with the Italians that the

1594
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:18,600
Italians kind of now have their own kind

1595
01:05:22,850 --> 01:05:20,610
of version of to the stars over there

1596
01:05:26,180 --> 01:05:22,860
and they're gonna be cooperating I think

1597
01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:26,190
that is great but as a first case I

1598
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:27,360
think they could have spent some more

1599
01:05:34,550 --> 01:05:30,600
time researching that and I still am not

1600
01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:34,560
so hot on that individual case but other

1601
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:36,680
aspects of the last episodes such as

1602
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,260
Elizondo sharing that you know the

1603
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:41,280
responsibilities for a tip have been

1604
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:42,180
broken up into

1605
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:44,040
a couple of different departments I

1606
01:05:49,820 --> 01:05:45,780
think that's interesting I didn't even

1607
01:05:54,350 --> 01:05:49,830
know that I did know that it was taken

1608
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:54,360
over by a very high-level official a tip

1609
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,090
and the name was changed because this

1610
01:06:01,370 --> 01:05:59,760
person wants to remain anonymous and he

1611
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,380
wants their information and they're

1612
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,680
reading their research to remain secret

1613
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:06,240
essentially he doesn't want that shared

1614
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:08,970
or public really he doesn't want to go

1615
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:10,500
through what Lou's going through and

1616
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:12,900
people I don't think realize you know

1617
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:16,140
all of the hate that these guys get even

1618
01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:17,730
the pilots they just get you know

1619
01:06:22,790 --> 01:06:19,470
unfortunately that's how the Internet is

1620
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:22,800
whatever your there's more people paying

1621
01:06:29,030 --> 01:06:25,500
attention to you you are a bigger target

1622
01:06:31,460 --> 01:06:29,040
for the trolls and he really gets you

1623
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:31,470
know hurt to be honest when you know his

1624
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:33,000
daughter comes to him and says hey

1625
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,740
somebody on the internet said this about

1626
01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:36,960
you or that about you and and he's got

1627
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:40,320
to explain you know he doesn't like that

1628
01:06:44,180 --> 01:06:42,180
when friends and family are reading all

1629
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:44,190
is this true did you do this did you lie

1630
01:06:50,810 --> 01:06:46,470
about this or that and and he's gonna

1631
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:50,820
say no you know so yeah just to jump in

1632
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:54,810
really quick we had PJ Hughes Kevin day

1633
01:07:00,500 --> 01:06:58,920
Jason Voorhees and right Gary Voorhees

1634
01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:00,510
and Jason Turner sorry about that

1635
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:02,430
I wanna show a couple weeks ago and they

1636
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:04,110
were all very positive about the

1637
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:05,490
feedback that they've gotten very

1638
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:08,520
positive right because there's they get

1639
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:10,890
a lot of positive feedback but as you

1640
01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:13,440
know those people have also if you

1641
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:15,240
follow the social media I have had or

1642
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:19,850
sure it's some tumultuous times as well

1643
01:07:24,110 --> 01:07:22,470
sometimes that have really affected them

1644
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:24,120
and you know that just from the

1645
01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:25,950
responses or what they've said on lines

1646
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:29,220
though so yeah so it's tough so they you

1647
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,510
know they're keeping that stuff secret

1648
01:07:34,420 --> 01:07:32,640
otherwise I think that my favorite

1649
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:34,430
episodes were like four and five

1650
01:07:39,740 --> 01:07:36,690
especially the episode where they talked

1651
01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:39,750
about the Roosevelt and they highlighted

1652
01:07:46,340 --> 01:07:42,780
how a lot of the witnesses do not want

1653
01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:46,350
to come forward and how it was difficult

1654
01:07:52,670 --> 01:07:49,430
to get anybody to go to washington d.c

1655
01:07:54,860 --> 01:07:52,680
to brief somebody of course they were

1656
01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:54,870
kind of quiet they didn't really share

1657
01:07:58,180 --> 01:07:56,390
in the episode who they were

1658
01:08:00,519 --> 01:07:58,190
briefing we found a little bit more

1659
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:00,529
information Brian bender from Politico

1660
01:08:07,299 --> 01:08:03,920
let us know that you know green yeah

1661
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:07,309
Warner and then Shaheen I the Conway

1662
01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:08,960
daily sound broke that story that she

1663
01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:11,660
said she was grieved also the president

1664
01:08:18,340 --> 01:08:13,430
of course has also said he had a short

1665
01:08:20,140 --> 01:08:18,350
meeting about all of this so that was a

1666
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:20,150
big deal but going back to senator

1667
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:21,560
Shaheen who I think is from New

1668
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,690
Hampshire I believe and she had been

1669
01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:26,239
asked about the when the UFO stuff is

1670
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,529
starting to bubble up and get some

1671
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:29,120
attention that she didn't really care

1672
01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:30,560
that much about it she was a lot more

1673
01:08:36,669 --> 01:08:33,500
focused on you know the the political

1674
01:08:38,829 --> 01:08:36,679
matters that keep these guys occupied

1675
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,839
every day and didn't care too much about

1676
01:08:41,979 --> 01:08:40,400
the UFO stuff I thought it was pretty

1677
01:08:45,999 --> 01:08:41,989
interesting that it turned out she was

1678
01:08:47,169 --> 01:08:46,009
briefed as well yeah I was gonna say I

1679
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:47,179
think you're bringing up a good point

1680
01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:49,250
because originally she had said that you

1681
01:08:53,229 --> 01:08:50,870
know essentially I'm paying attention to

1682
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:53,239
more important things however in her

1683
01:08:57,849 --> 01:08:54,650
statement that she was briefed about

1684
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:57,859
UFOs you can tell that she now takes the

1685
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:00,440
topic much more seriously so whatever

1686
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,330
she heard in her briefing must have been

1687
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:05,359
compelling yeah so US senator jeanne

1688
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:07,880
Shaheen she confer Turing our trip to

1689
01:09:11,919 --> 01:09:10,250
North Conway Tuesday I'm just reading a

1690
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:11,929
little bit about her here regarding an

1691
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:13,460
article that was written on her which

1692
01:09:17,050 --> 01:09:15,080
was world UFO day that she's been

1693
01:09:20,590 --> 01:09:17,060
briefed on unidentified flying objects

1694
01:09:22,599 --> 01:09:20,600
and was to go on a little bit but July

1695
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:22,609
2nd was chosen as world UFO day because

1696
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:26,330
it commemorates she supposed UFO D

1697
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:29,449
supposed UFO crash and 47 I'm making a

1698
01:09:34,140 --> 01:09:31,040
reference to an alleged incident Roswell

1699
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,150
and anyway she but she as she was

1700
01:09:38,169 --> 01:09:36,799
briefed also I find that an important

1701
01:09:40,209 --> 01:09:38,179
point I'm glad that you did a post on

1702
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:40,219
that I noticed that you did Alejandra

1703
01:09:44,410 --> 01:09:41,690
just to delve into that a little further

1704
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:44,420
why is that so important to you that US

1705
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,480
senator jeanne Shaheen confirmed during

1706
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:49,520
her trip to North Conway that she was

1707
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:51,049
been briefed on unidentified flying

1708
01:09:56,379 --> 01:09:54,530
objects why is that such a big deal yeah

1709
01:09:57,370 --> 01:09:56,389
you know what I that's a great question

1710
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:57,380
because there are some things that

1711
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,270
people I think don't realize it's not

1712
01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:01,280
like you know these guys show up to

1713
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:03,320
meetings and whoever is there is there a

1714
01:10:08,620 --> 01:10:06,320
lot of these briefings and I know this

1715
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:08,630
from my research and talking to some of

1716
01:10:12,970 --> 01:10:09,920
the guys

1717
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:12,980
were requested so some people are like

1718
01:10:17,130 --> 01:10:15,050
what committee were these for a lot of

1719
01:10:22,570 --> 01:10:17,140
these briefings were not for a committee

1720
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:22,580
where the staff of a senator what asks

1721
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:26,090
for a briefing and so then you know they

1722
01:10:32,230 --> 01:10:28,550
come to their office and brief the staff

1723
01:10:34,690 --> 01:10:32,240
and the lawmaker or just the staff in

1724
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:34,700
some cases and then the staff report up

1725
01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:38,410
to the senator or representative and

1726
01:10:44,110 --> 01:10:41,180
that's important because these people

1727
01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:44,120
are finding it intriguing enough that

1728
01:10:48,490 --> 01:10:46,220
they believe that they have to be

1729
01:10:50,830 --> 01:10:48,500
briefed on the topic of course it's a

1730
01:10:52,810 --> 01:10:50,840
bigger deal when a committee is asked to

1731
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:52,820
be briefed and I think it's important to

1732
01:10:59,050 --> 01:10:57,050
note that for instance Shaheen is part

1733
01:11:00,820 --> 01:10:59,060
of the Defense Intelligence Committee in

1734
01:11:02,830 --> 01:11:00,830
fact I think she's part of the

1735
01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:02,840
Subcommittee on threat assessments as

1736
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:05,900
well so that's interesting because of

1737
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:08,030
course the advanced errors based threat

1738
01:11:12,610 --> 01:11:10,390
identification program it would be

1739
01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:12,620
important especially when it's ran by

1740
01:11:17,650 --> 01:11:14,840
defense intelligence you know you would

1741
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:17,660
think that the Subcommittee on threat

1742
01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:19,690
assessment would be interested so

1743
01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:21,950
hopefully that's who got briefed so

1744
01:11:26,980 --> 01:11:23,720
there's a lot of possibilities and how

1745
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:26,990
this all happened and it sounds like the

1746
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:29,690
president actually heard from Navy

1747
01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:31,670
personnel we can't say for sure he said

1748
01:11:38,410 --> 01:11:34,670
a brief meeting he mentioned the Navy he

1749
01:11:40,540 --> 01:11:38,420
also in the Fox News alluded to that he

1750
01:11:43,210 --> 01:11:40,550
was not briefed or told anything about

1751
01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:43,220
potential materials or anomalous

1752
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:45,080
material like we talked about earlier so

1753
01:11:49,930 --> 01:11:47,390
this briefing seemed to be focused on

1754
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:49,940
the Navy encounters which are compelling

1755
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:52,400
enough you know word on the street is

1756
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:55,250
that part of that briefing was these

1757
01:12:00,430 --> 01:11:56,960
senators were share with their staffers

1758
01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:00,440
were shown far more detailed more

1759
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:04,520
compelling less ambiguous video record

1760
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:07,970
you know they don't clear which some of

1761
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:09,670
these committee members would be

1762
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,140
depending on which committee so like I'm

1763
01:12:14,890 --> 01:12:14,000
sure the interest intelligence

1764
01:12:18,430 --> 01:12:14,900
committees the Armed Services

1765
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:18,440
committee's they'd be cleared to see

1766
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:20,210
some of the classified information that

1767
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:22,580
were not able to see so that would make

1768
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:23,570
sense

1769
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:26,449
and according to Lu Elizondo you know

1770
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:28,190
there is some better footage out there

1771
01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:30,710
and according to some of the pilots and

1772
01:12:35,109 --> 01:12:32,060
some of the witnesses as well they've

1773
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:35,119
said that and I don't know on this but

1774
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:37,630
that Chad Underwood who is the pilot

1775
01:12:42,069 --> 01:12:39,860
acknowledged publicly for the first time

1776
01:12:44,109 --> 01:12:42,079
that he was the pilot who captured the

1777
01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:44,119
video related to the Nimitz case I'm not

1778
01:12:48,129 --> 01:12:45,560
sure if you picked up on that or not

1779
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:48,139
dude but that he and flavor have decided

1780
01:12:54,129 --> 01:12:51,440
not to do any more public you know

1781
01:12:56,589 --> 01:12:54,139
interviews on this topic we'll see

1782
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,599
flavor said that before so hopefully

1783
01:12:59,530 --> 01:12:58,159
that doesn't all true and we'll be able

1784
01:13:01,660 --> 01:12:59,540
to hear more from him in the future I

1785
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:01,670
think we will it's hard to keep telling

1786
01:13:06,220 --> 01:13:04,250
everybody no I think over the years but

1787
01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:06,230
yes at least we'll have this slate

1788
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:09,500
article coming out soon but I'm very

1789
01:13:15,129 --> 01:13:12,010
curious to hear from Underwood cuz it

1790
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:15,139
allegedly I guess you know he took it

1791
01:13:18,609 --> 01:13:17,150
apart he would said he was tasked with

1792
01:13:21,609 --> 01:13:18,619
going out and getting some video on

1793
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:21,619
these things after flavor had his

1794
01:13:25,390 --> 01:13:23,270
experienced flavor and the other guys

1795
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:25,400
had their experience they got back and

1796
01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:28,010
this guy said you know essentially they

1797
01:13:31,870 --> 01:13:29,780
said well we've got to go get video get

1798
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:31,880
out there and so this guy went out there

1799
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:34,250
and he caught some video and that's why

1800
01:13:40,990 --> 01:13:37,280
they seemed so excited when you know in

1801
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,000
that audio okay I wanted to ask you

1802
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:43,760
Alejandra even if it's a little late in

1803
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:45,530
the discussion ask it but can you

1804
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:47,810
envision envision a full congressional

1805
01:13:55,149 --> 01:13:50,239
hearing specifically for military pilots

1806
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:55,159
who have had you a peak encounters well

1807
01:13:59,620 --> 01:13:56,960
congressional hearings we've heard from

1808
01:14:01,930 --> 01:13:59,630
a few different sources I think Harry

1809
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:01,940
Rita said this and also Chris Mellon at

1810
01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:06,170
that they think there is no sort of will

1811
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:10,760
to have congressional briefings or

1812
01:14:16,030 --> 01:14:14,270
hearings and that makes sense I mean for

1813
01:14:17,950 --> 01:14:16,040
a congressional hearing you know you've

1814
01:14:20,410 --> 01:14:17,960
got to have some kind of big reason for

1815
01:14:23,379 --> 01:14:20,420
that and I don't know that's necessarily

1816
01:14:24,339 --> 01:14:23,389
what we need or the path that they're on

1817
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:24,349
currently

1818
01:14:28,660 --> 01:14:26,810
maybe we as the public might want to see

1819
01:14:30,850 --> 01:14:28,670
that but you know what would with the

1820
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:30,860
end result and result might not be any

1821
01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:33,110
different than what we can get now and I

1822
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:34,760
think that that's dangerous because if

1823
01:14:37,419 --> 01:14:36,530
you bring it you know make it a bigger

1824
01:14:39,489 --> 01:14:37,429
public to

1825
01:14:42,129 --> 01:14:39,499
bate you may have some very strong

1826
01:14:44,649 --> 01:14:42,139
voices from the scientific community or

1827
01:14:47,709 --> 01:14:44,659
from elsewhere that want to put the

1828
01:14:49,959 --> 01:14:47,719
kibosh on all of this so I think the way

1829
01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:49,969
it's happening and the way that the to

1830
01:14:54,189 --> 01:14:52,039
the stars guys are working all this is a

1831
01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:54,199
better way of doing it it's kind of like

1832
01:14:57,719 --> 01:14:55,820
how Harry Reid did it you know he's very

1833
01:15:01,120 --> 01:14:57,729
sneaky about getting the money and

1834
01:15:03,429 --> 01:15:01,130
creating this program they are working

1835
01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:03,439
directly with lawmakers directly with

1836
01:15:08,350 --> 01:15:06,409
you know decision-makers in the military

1837
01:15:10,779 --> 01:15:08,360
and I think that's where they're gonna

1838
01:15:12,759 --> 01:15:10,789
get more they're going to be able to run

1839
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:12,769
more quickly than being bogged down by

1840
01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:15,409
too much of a large public kind of

1841
01:15:20,949 --> 01:15:18,860
conversation here so what I think we

1842
01:15:24,069 --> 01:15:20,959
will have a see first and I think it

1843
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:24,079
would be better if we saw this first is

1844
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:26,329
some sort of official movement we've

1845
01:15:30,580 --> 01:15:28,369
seen the Navy already changed their

1846
01:15:33,219 --> 01:15:30,590
reporting structure I think that was a

1847
01:15:36,129 --> 01:15:33,229
big message to hey guys we're gonna take

1848
01:15:38,469 --> 01:15:36,139
this seriously so don't worry about

1849
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:38,479
reporting to us do report to us because

1850
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:40,489
we hear over and over again people don't

1851
01:15:44,589 --> 01:15:42,530
report because they're afraid they're

1852
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:44,599
gonna be made fun of us and if you read

1853
01:15:50,620 --> 01:15:47,030
the executive summary of the Nimitz

1854
01:15:52,449 --> 01:15:50,630
encounter you see that the pilot and the

1855
01:15:54,759 --> 01:15:52,459
witnesses were met with a lot of

1856
01:15:56,649 --> 01:15:54,769
ridicule when they came back and and

1857
01:15:58,540 --> 01:15:56,659
some of them from what I understand

1858
01:16:02,560 --> 01:15:58,550
we're not happy about that at all who

1859
01:16:05,589 --> 01:16:02,570
would be so so I think all of this

1860
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:05,599
movement is important now we may see and

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01:16:09,729 --> 01:16:07,489
I know people in the UFO community may

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01:16:14,020 --> 01:16:09,739
feel that this has limited value but we

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01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:14,030
may see an official UFO organization

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01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:16,729
start up of course we have a tip but

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01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:17,360
it's secret

1866
01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:20,510
so Project Blue Book of course was more

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01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:24,289
public facing it it faced problems in

1868
01:16:28,629 --> 01:16:26,510
the last couple of iterations especially

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:28,639
with project grudge which was the second

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01:16:34,750 --> 01:16:31,610
version of the UFO research but project

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01:16:40,629 --> 01:16:34,760
the first project to investigate UFOs

1872
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:40,639
was actually more open more serious they

1873
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:42,289
came to the conclusion that these things

1874
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,050
could be extraterrestrial I think that

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01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,199
you know if we have another version of

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01:16:50,919 --> 01:16:49,280
Project sign which was the first one

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01:16:53,259 --> 01:16:50,929
that me

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01:16:56,049 --> 01:16:53,269
that may be positive that may we may get

1879
01:16:57,939 --> 01:16:56,059
more information similar to what to the

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01:17:00,759 --> 01:16:57,949
Stars and Lou Elizondo has shared with

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01:17:02,379 --> 01:17:00,769
us when I through a project like that I

1882
01:17:03,909 --> 01:17:02,389
wanted to bring up something you brought

1883
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:03,919
up some very important points or thank

1884
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:05,689
you sorry very very much to interject

1885
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,489
there but you brought up some really

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01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:09,679
interesting and important and critical

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01:17:13,929 --> 01:17:11,449
points and I'll lay out why in just a

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01:17:15,699 --> 01:17:13,939
moment I wanted to mention that gel Ford

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01:17:19,689 --> 01:17:15,709
is Republican minority whip from

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01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,699
Michigan in spring of 1966 he called for

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01:17:24,129 --> 01:17:21,679
the only open UFO congressional hearings

1892
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:24,139
in history also can go ahead and provide

1893
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,169
a link to that regarding out is Gerald

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01:17:31,629 --> 01:17:29,360
our Ford Presidential Library Museum

1895
01:17:34,509 --> 01:17:31,639
possesses a document relating to UFOs

1896
01:17:36,219 --> 01:17:34,519
can boast composed by Ford when he was

1897
01:17:38,979 --> 01:17:36,229
House Minority Leader and congressman

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01:17:42,069 --> 01:17:38,989
from Michigan the original document in

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01:17:44,409 --> 01:17:42,079
box d9 folder Ford press releases UFO

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01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:44,419
1966 of the four Congressional papers

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01:17:48,489 --> 01:17:46,489
press secretary and speech file at the

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01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,499
Ford library reason I'm bringing this up

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01:17:53,379 --> 01:17:50,719
alejandro is because uh we were touching

1904
01:17:56,049 --> 01:17:53,389
on earlier how President Trump was asked

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01:17:58,299 --> 01:17:56,059
about the UFO topic and had a classified

1906
01:18:00,369 --> 01:17:58,309
briefing about them was brought up with

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01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:00,379
a Tucker Carlson I know we've already

1908
01:18:05,139 --> 01:18:02,209
talked about this I'd like to impress

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01:18:07,689 --> 01:18:05,149
upon our listeners how important it is

1910
01:18:10,449 --> 01:18:07,699
the gravity of this subject regarding a

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01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:10,459
present actually touching on the topic

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01:18:17,529 --> 01:18:14,209
of UFOs with an interviewer on a TV can

1913
01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:17,539
you please let us know how critical that

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01:18:23,649 --> 01:18:21,110
is right now Alejandro I think it's

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01:18:26,529 --> 01:18:23,659
important and that it demonstrates the

1916
01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:26,539
the most important aspect of this I

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01:18:31,959 --> 01:18:29,030
believe is that the president was

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01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:31,969
briefed he said you know regarding these

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01:18:36,250 --> 01:18:34,550
Navy experiences we've had other

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01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,260
presidents talk about this Clinton was

1921
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:38,239
really into UFOs he said he even looked

1922
01:18:43,569 --> 01:18:41,840
into Roswell and area 51 but didn't find

1923
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:43,579
anything I think it important

1924
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:46,249
he always caveat this with you know it

1925
01:18:49,509 --> 01:18:48,530
still could be real it's just that's

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01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,519
what I was told

1927
01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:52,159
in fact his most important statement I

1928
01:18:57,399 --> 01:18:54,409
think regarding all of this he put in

1929
01:18:59,259 --> 01:18:57,409
the caveat I could out you know they

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01:19:01,299 --> 01:18:59,269
could be not sharing information with me

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01:19:04,910 --> 01:19:01,309
I wouldn't be the first president that

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01:19:09,020 --> 01:19:04,920
career staffers have liked to so he was

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01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:09,030
open to the idea I think that the

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01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:10,980
presidential message I think is an

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01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:13,260
important one okay so some Navy guys saw

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01:19:18,140 --> 01:19:16,050
something there may be something to all

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01:19:20,060 --> 01:19:18,150
this but I'm not gonna pay attention to

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01:19:22,729 --> 01:19:20,070
it now cuz it doesn't seem like it

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01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:22,739
really warrants that so what is that

1940
01:19:26,990 --> 01:19:25,110
message prove it to me prove it to me

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01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:27,000
that there's something important and I

1942
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:28,890
think that's the important thing I hope

1943
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:31,800
that that the military does take this as

1944
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:35,489
a mandate to do just that prove it which

1945
01:19:41,180 --> 01:19:37,560
would be more investigation more

1946
01:19:43,010 --> 01:19:41,190
analysis you know more information

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01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:43,020
regarding some of the credible stuff

1948
01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:43,980
around all of this

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01:19:50,350 --> 01:19:47,400
to come out so I hope that's what

1950
01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:50,360
happens it drives this sort of thing so

1951
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,590
what's what's interesting though of

1952
01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:54,239
course is all of these senators coming

1953
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,910
out positive after their briefing about

1954
01:20:02,150 --> 01:19:59,760
the serious of the phenomena as well

1955
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:02,160
Gerald Ford when he brought forward

1956
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,710
those you know suggested that that was a

1957
01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:06,480
swamp gas case which is kind of

1958
01:20:09,979 --> 01:20:08,580
interesting because of that yeah I want

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01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:09,989
to ask you about that a little bit yeah

1960
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:12,330
right yeah of course got dr. Hynek to

1961
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:14,489
sort of gloss over and hence the famous

1962
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:17,010
and a ludicrous swamp gas statement yeah

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01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:19,530
what happened there was they got the

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01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:21,630
hearings going because people in ford's

1965
01:20:26,060 --> 01:20:24,179
district were basically demanding it so

1966
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:26,070
he was able to get that done as House

1967
01:20:34,340 --> 01:20:32,310
Minority Whip I think what came of it

1968
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:34,350
nothing because that really that's kind

1969
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:37,260
of a public show they want these

1970
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:40,410
briefings but there was already project

1971
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:42,600
Bluebook in existence and of course it

1972
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:45,540
closed down just a couple years later so

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01:20:50,930 --> 01:20:48,600
it wasn't it wasn't fruitful it didn't

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01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:50,940
bring forth you know the results that

1975
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:52,530
the people who wanted those hearings

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01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:55,530
would have hoped for and so that's

1977
01:20:59,209 --> 01:20:57,420
another reason an example where I don't

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01:21:01,850 --> 01:20:59,219
think maybe that's the best tactic the

1979
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:01,860
best tactic I think is honestly what I

1980
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:03,780
believe was what to the Stars is doing

1981
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,730
what Elizondo and Chris Mullin and those

1982
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:07,800
guys are doing like Elizondo has said

1983
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:09,690
he's working in the system which is

1984
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:12,770
important and we heard an unidentified

1985
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:15,420
that you know he some of his colleagues

1986
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:18,030
took him aside and said hey there are

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01:21:21,390 --> 01:21:18,760
people still

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01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:21,400
set with you and that's true I mean I've

1989
01:21:25,650 --> 01:21:23,290
heard this from very from various

1990
01:21:27,210 --> 01:21:25,660
sources at this point that especially

1991
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:27,220
right when he came out there were a lot

1992
01:21:32,130 --> 01:21:29,530
of insiders very upset with him and

1993
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,140
essentially they were some of them were

1994
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:34,960
afraid of the ridicule they liked the

1995
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,790
topic they believed it was a serious

1996
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:38,320
topic but they were afraid

1997
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:40,120
now that you've talked about this Lou

1998
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:41,770
everybody's going to be making fun of

1999
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:46,810
the DoD and the you owe us di and so

2000
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:48,370
that was their fear but what they've

2001
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:49,750
seen is just the opposite

2002
01:21:54,930 --> 01:21:51,550
Lou and the crew have been very

2003
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,940
successful in bringing a credible you

2004
01:21:59,520 --> 01:21:56,800
know credible look at this topic and

2005
01:22:01,710 --> 01:21:59,530
there hasn't been a huge amount of

2006
01:22:03,660 --> 01:22:01,720
ridicule and so that has changed the

2007
01:22:06,090 --> 01:22:03,670
minds of some of his colleagues to say

2008
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:06,100
okay Lou you were right we should have

2009
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:08,530
done it this way and it is being taken

2010
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:10,810
seriously however there's still a large

2011
01:22:15,630 --> 01:22:14,050
faction that are upset about all of this

2012
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:15,640
because they either don't think there's

2013
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:18,880
much to it or they could be and this is

2014
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:21,310
speculation some of the people who got

2015
01:22:27,060 --> 01:22:24,430
some of the original project read put

2016
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:27,070
together shut down because the original

2017
01:22:31,410 --> 01:22:29,170
project was to look into a lot of

2018
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:31,420
paranormal things but there were a

2019
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:34,450
faction of religious fundamentalist you

2020
01:22:40,050 --> 01:22:36,970
know evangelicals who thought this was

2021
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:40,060
all demonic and were able to shut down a

2022
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:42,400
lot of the priorities of the original

2023
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,610
project the AUSA project until you know

2024
01:22:49,950 --> 01:22:47,440
they were only able to hold on to the

2025
01:22:52,980 --> 01:22:49,960
UFO site so those people might not be

2026
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:52,990
happy about this either so I you know

2027
01:22:59,580 --> 01:22:55,660
this groundswell of serious public

2028
01:23:03,330 --> 01:22:59,590
attention and and credibility bring bots

2029
01:23:07,230 --> 01:23:03,340
to all of this is being met with not

2030
01:23:09,330 --> 01:23:07,240
just you know people happy about that

2031
01:23:11,130 --> 01:23:09,340
but there are still people upset because

2032
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,140
as much as Elizondo likes to say he's

2033
01:23:15,690 --> 01:23:13,360
not a whistleblower in a way he is a

2034
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:15,700
whistleblower is typically revealing

2035
01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:17,290
stuff that is classified that they don't

2036
01:23:21,690 --> 01:23:19,000
have permission to share and Lou is

2037
01:23:23,070 --> 01:23:21,700
adamant that he will not do that but

2038
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:23,080
what he wants to do is grease the wheels

2039
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:24,550
to get to people who have the

2040
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:26,260
information to share that information

2041
01:23:30,990 --> 01:23:28,810
and they've had success doing this with

2042
01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:31,000
the Navy so far hopefully they'll have

2043
01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:32,380
continued success with

2044
01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:35,260
that but the way he's kind of a pseudo

2045
01:23:40,290 --> 01:23:38,020
or a bit of a half way whistle blow or

2046
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:40,300
is that he is sharing information that

2047
01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:42,610
colleagues insight did not want shared

2048
01:23:47,070 --> 01:23:44,620
it's a good point I just want to mention

2049
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,080
again and I am bringing up a reason

2050
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:49,120
there's a pattern of folks who have been

2051
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:50,910
high up in our government such as a

2052
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:54,010
Gerald Ford for example going back to I

2053
01:24:01,950 --> 01:23:56,710
as I was saying prior earlier a spring

2054
01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:01,960
of 1966 and he also tried very hard to

2055
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:04,600
let the public know that some senators

2056
01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:06,250
were being briefed about this topic

2057
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:09,190
behind closed doors yeah but it was all

2058
01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:11,550
very hush hush hush hush of course

2059
01:24:17,580 --> 01:24:15,340
wanted to also bring up a wonderful

2060
01:24:20,010 --> 01:24:17,590
article that Alejandro wrote which I'll

2061
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:20,020
leave the link to in the chatroom it's

2062
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:22,060
called the x-files revealed the

2063
01:24:26,190 --> 01:24:23,980
paranormal roots of the Pentagon's UFO

2064
01:24:28,110 --> 01:24:26,200
program new revelations shed light on

2065
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:28,120
secret government investigations in

2066
01:24:32,730 --> 01:24:30,310
histories unidentified inside America's

2067
01:24:34,170 --> 01:24:32,740
UFO investigation can you please let us

2068
01:24:36,690 --> 01:24:34,180
know a little bit about that article

2069
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:36,700
that you wrote Alejandro yeah you know I

2070
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:39,160
think some of the group some of the

2071
01:24:43,470 --> 01:24:40,690
people working with to the Stars have

2072
01:24:46,230 --> 01:24:43,480
kind of shied away from this aspect of

2073
01:24:49,290 --> 01:24:46,240
the essentially what I had just

2074
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:49,300
mentioned how Harry Reid initially you

2075
01:24:53,370 --> 01:24:51,430
know I started this project to look into

2076
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:53,380
skinwalker and just a small part of that

2077
01:24:57,900 --> 01:24:55,810
skinwalker ranch a ranch in Utah where a

2078
01:25:00,450 --> 01:24:57,910
lot of paranormal stuff happens and a

2079
01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:00,460
small part of that was UFOs but I think

2080
01:25:04,650 --> 01:25:02,950
that this is well I'm a reporter I want

2081
01:25:06,750 --> 01:25:04,660
to report the news I were to report the

2082
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:06,760
facts and regardless of how anybody

2083
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:09,190
feels about it I I think it was a very

2084
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:11,140
important aspect that we knew the

2085
01:25:16,350 --> 01:25:13,360
origins of how this all came about in

2086
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:16,360
the beginning and then uh you know from

2087
01:25:19,140 --> 01:25:17,320
that had a lot of people were

2088
01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:19,150
questioning well then that doesn't jive

2089
01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:20,830
with some of what I was onto I said but

2090
01:25:24,660 --> 01:25:23,260
this and that and so I did another piece

2091
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:24,670
that I think is really important and I

2092
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:26,050
should probably make a more public

2093
01:25:30,990 --> 01:25:28,690
friendly version of that piece I called

2094
01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:31,000
it a SAP to a tip because those were the

2095
01:25:35,550 --> 01:25:33,790
two program names are SAP was like the

2096
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:35,560
advanced aerospace weapon system

2097
01:25:40,710 --> 01:25:38,590
analysis project which is the real

2098
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:40,720
project that Harry Reid got that 22

2099
01:25:46,110 --> 01:25:43,330
million dollars for which included and

2100
01:25:48,510 --> 01:25:46,120
was about researching skinwalker

2101
01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:48,520
and other hotspots like it where other

2102
01:25:53,010 --> 01:25:51,100
paranormal things were happening when

2103
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,020
George Knapp wrote about this and leaked

2104
01:26:00,300 --> 01:25:56,080
some documents about it there was even a

2105
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:00,310
Bigelow Aerospace executive who was part

2106
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:02,170
of this project cuz Bigelow was was

2107
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:04,690
contracted to do this research who wrote

2108
01:26:08,490 --> 01:26:06,730
about all of this weirdness they talked

2109
01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:08,500
about you know investigating the

2110
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:12,220
poltergeist and portals and this idea

2111
01:26:17,370 --> 01:26:15,130
that the using kind of humans is bait in

2112
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:17,380
a way and all of this weirdness like

2113
01:26:21,780 --> 01:26:19,720
this it's such it's such a weird story

2114
01:26:23,340 --> 01:26:21,790
and that's why I really wanted to tell

2115
01:26:26,130 --> 01:26:23,350
it cuz I think people should know you

2116
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:26,140
know really what the roots of all of

2117
01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:28,510
this is so that's why I wrote that story

2118
01:26:32,850 --> 01:26:30,340
and put all that information together

2119
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:32,860
and I think it's another reason why

2120
01:26:36,210 --> 01:26:34,450
people pay attention to like a hunt for

2121
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:36,220
the skinwalker the book or the

2122
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:38,170
skinwalker documentary that Jeremy

2123
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:41,110
Korbel put together because it gives

2124
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,230
people an idea of just how serious some

2125
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:46,000
of this paranormal phenomena that was

2126
01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:48,880
going on at this ranch was taken by the

2127
01:26:55,260 --> 01:26:51,310
scientific researchers who looked into

2128
01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:55,270
it so yeah that's what that story was

2129
01:26:59,940 --> 01:26:57,910
about and I think that I did a lot of

2130
01:27:01,380 --> 01:26:59,950
research investigating uh you know

2131
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:01,390
interviewing a lot of people to

2132
01:27:08,130 --> 01:27:03,730
understand the nuances and the details

2133
01:27:11,340 --> 01:27:08,140
of how you know that ah sap program was

2134
01:27:13,740 --> 01:27:11,350
dismantled and became what we know as a

2135
01:27:15,870 --> 01:27:13,750
tip and why the New York Times story

2136
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:15,880
didn't get into the skinwalker ranch or

2137
01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:18,850
the paranormal stuff yes and only talked

2138
01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:21,310
about the UFO stuff but what I found was

2139
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:23,680
that the New York Times story although

2140
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:25,210
it didn't include that stuff was still

2141
01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:28,630
very accurate and I found out you know

2142
01:27:32,010 --> 01:27:30,220
the main reason they didn't include it

2143
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:32,020
is because what they're one of their

2144
01:27:38,010 --> 01:27:34,630
main people was Lou Elizondo and Lou

2145
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:38,020
Elizondo came to work for a tip the UFO

2146
01:27:41,370 --> 01:27:39,910
side of things so he didn't know so much

2147
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:41,380
about the rest of the stuff or at least

2148
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:43,030
he wasn't the owner of that information

2149
01:27:49,170 --> 01:27:45,760
as perhaps the way he would put it so it

2150
01:27:51,150 --> 01:27:49,180
wasn't his to share that other stuff

2151
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:51,160
that was for someone else and they just

2152
01:27:55,410 --> 01:27:52,960
didn't delve into that they focused on

2153
01:27:58,590 --> 01:27:55,420
the UFO side which i think is legit

2154
01:27:59,880 --> 01:27:58,600
honest honestly because the paranormal

2155
01:28:02,760 --> 01:27:59,890
side of things didn't even

2156
01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:02,770
the year I think it was shut down very

2157
01:28:10,650 --> 01:28:05,020
quickly intelligence research and

2158
01:28:12,990 --> 01:28:10,660
development and he actually had 32 years

2159
01:28:15,870 --> 01:28:13,000
experience and a proponent military

2160
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:15,880
interest in the paranormal and author of

2161
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:18,790
reality denied wanted to mention in that

2162
01:28:23,940 --> 01:28:22,090
he was individual from knids who went to

2163
01:28:26,610 --> 01:28:23,950
skinwalker ranch with Bob Bigelow in

2164
01:28:29,310 --> 01:28:26,620
1995 to study precognitive sentient

2165
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:29,320
phenomena which could or could not be

2166
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:33,160
caught quantum quantum related quantum

2167
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:36,010
physics related but it is a fascinating

2168
01:28:39,930 --> 01:28:37,690
topic so I'm glad you were able to bring

2169
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:39,940
that up Frank did you have any other

2170
01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:43,450
questions for oh yeah one of the real

2171
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:46,510
surprising aspects of the TTS a show

2172
01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:48,910
that came up I know I was were you

2173
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:51,460
surprised by that and you want to tell

2174
01:28:55,770 --> 01:28:52,690
the folks a little bit about Richard

2175
01:29:00,840 --> 01:28:55,780
Doty who I know you've looked into yeah

2176
01:29:02,910 --> 01:29:00,850
I mean I I've been in talks with him a

2177
01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:02,920
little bit about this recently to give

2178
01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:05,910
him some more background into Jody but

2179
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:09,490
the I heard about this before that they

2180
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:11,890
were going to get into Doty and I it was

2181
01:29:17,010 --> 01:29:14,490
either from lepay the producer or

2182
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:17,020
Elizondo and our talks they they had

2183
01:29:23,820 --> 01:29:21,730
kind of hinted at that and so which I

2184
01:29:25,530 --> 01:29:23,830
felt was interesting and their

2185
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:25,540
perspective and I think this is

2186
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:28,110
important for people to understand is

2187
01:29:32,610 --> 01:29:30,370
and I should give some background into

2188
01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:32,620
Richard Doty so Richard Doty is a

2189
01:29:38,460 --> 01:29:35,800
gentleman who released by his own word

2190
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:38,470
you know he released disinformation back

2191
01:29:46,190 --> 01:29:43,690
in the 80s to a UFO researcher this UFO

2192
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:46,200
researcher who is also a science

2193
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:49,710
contractor for Kirtland Air Force Base

2194
01:29:57,630 --> 01:29:53,890
was capturing a video of of lights over

2195
01:29:59,340 --> 01:29:57,640
Kirtland and some strange signals coming

2196
01:30:01,170 --> 01:29:59,350
from Kirtland Air Force Base and he

2197
01:30:07,310 --> 01:30:01,180
thought maybe what he was seeing were

2198
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:07,320
UFOs Richard Doty says they began to

2199
01:30:13,739 --> 01:30:11,920
share fake information to this guy to

2200
01:30:16,139 --> 01:30:13,749
make him believe it was you

2201
01:30:18,869 --> 01:30:16,149
pose an alien's when in actuality he was

2202
01:30:21,389 --> 01:30:18,879
observing black projects and they didn't

2203
01:30:24,089 --> 01:30:21,399
want the Russians to catch on and get

2204
01:30:26,369 --> 01:30:24,099
some of his data and so that's what

2205
01:30:28,109 --> 01:30:26,379
Richard Doty claims now we have no

2206
01:30:31,469 --> 01:30:28,119
evidence that that is the case and in

2207
01:30:33,809 --> 01:30:31,479
fact I'm not the only ones to get these

2208
01:30:35,879 --> 01:30:33,819
documents via FOIA however I'm the only

2209
01:30:38,669 --> 01:30:35,889
one to analyze them and put them

2210
01:30:40,019 --> 01:30:38,679
together with the rest of the story but

2211
01:30:41,549 --> 01:30:40,029
the Air Force has their own story

2212
01:30:44,789 --> 01:30:41,559
through some documents you can get

2213
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:44,799
through FOIA right their story guys I'm

2214
01:30:47,699 --> 01:30:45,249
sorry

2215
01:30:49,529 --> 01:30:47,709
their story is that they had nothing to

2216
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:49,539
do with Doty doing this nor did they

2217
01:30:55,409 --> 01:30:52,449
know he was up to this from what they

2218
01:30:57,419 --> 01:30:55,419
understood Doty and another officer had

2219
01:31:00,409 --> 01:30:57,429
gone to talk to this guy Benowitz the

2220
01:31:02,939 --> 01:31:00,419
scientist they looked at his videos and

2221
01:31:03,449 --> 01:31:02,949
signals and said we don't know what that

2222
01:31:06,359 --> 01:31:03,459
is

2223
01:31:09,389 --> 01:31:06,369
sorry we we can't help you here and that

2224
01:31:11,609 --> 01:31:09,399
was it and then a couple of times later

2225
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:11,619
on a couple senators had come and said

2226
01:31:14,219 --> 01:31:12,729
hey what are you guys doing with

2227
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:14,229
bennewitz he's telling us you're doing

2228
01:31:19,799 --> 01:31:17,199
something with UFOs and both times they

2229
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:19,809
sent these senators to Doty who told

2230
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:23,409
them no we we just went in some once we

2231
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:24,489
looked at his stuff we didn't think

2232
01:31:27,719 --> 01:31:26,169
anything of it and we told them no if we

2233
01:31:30,539 --> 01:31:27,729
don't have anything to do with this but

2234
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:30,549
in the meantime Doty is for years giving

2235
01:31:38,309 --> 01:31:34,449
out this disinformation so people have

2236
01:31:41,249 --> 01:31:38,319
likened Doty to Tom DeLonge and to

2237
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:41,259
Louise Elizondo kind of saying that you

2238
01:31:46,349 --> 01:31:44,289
know you could be the target of

2239
01:31:49,559 --> 01:31:46,359
disinformation you could be the Benowitz

2240
01:31:51,979 --> 01:31:49,569
so in other words you could be putting

2241
01:31:54,449 --> 01:31:51,989
out false information

2242
01:31:57,719 --> 01:31:54,459
unwittingly and so they wanted to just

2243
01:31:59,729 --> 01:31:57,729
kind of cover how the difference between

2244
01:32:00,209 --> 01:31:59,739
what was done then and what they're up

2245
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:00,219
to

2246
01:32:08,069 --> 01:32:04,049
this despoja stuff though that I got and

2247
01:32:09,989 --> 01:32:08,079
the fact that the Senators came and this

2248
01:32:11,999 --> 01:32:09,999
information was going on in the illegal

2249
01:32:13,949 --> 01:32:12,009
activity that Doty was involved with

2250
01:32:15,839 --> 01:32:13,959
during all of this that stuff they

2251
01:32:18,029 --> 01:32:15,849
weren't aware of so that stuff that I'm

2252
01:32:21,449 --> 01:32:18,039
currently working with them on and I

2253
01:32:23,999 --> 01:32:21,459
hope we get somewhere because some of

2254
01:32:27,629 --> 01:32:24,009
the information that Dhoni put out back

2255
01:32:29,489 --> 01:32:27,639
in the day is still mythology in the UFO

2256
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:29,499
world he's the one who he wanted

2257
01:32:33,709 --> 01:32:31,030
bennewitz to believe there is a secret

2258
01:32:38,609 --> 01:32:33,719
alien space alien

2259
01:32:41,639 --> 01:32:38,619
bakes under all say under the Archuleta

2260
01:32:43,739 --> 01:32:41,649
Mesa in Dulce he was the first one in a

2261
01:32:46,409 --> 01:32:43,749
he brought up this project Aquarius

2262
01:32:49,529 --> 01:32:46,419
which was supposedly this big UFO aliens

2263
01:32:52,679 --> 01:32:49,539
study that had gone on for years by this

2264
01:32:55,469 --> 01:32:52,689
group called mj-12 this isn't a document

2265
01:32:59,279 --> 01:32:55,479
that Dodi says he faked he admits that

2266
01:33:01,109 --> 01:32:59,289
is it's a hoax I so and it's the first

2267
01:33:04,259 --> 01:33:01,119
mention of mj-12 which of course is this

2268
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:04,269
huge you know mythology within the UFO

2269
01:33:08,699 --> 01:33:06,550
community in these mj-12 documents I

2270
01:33:11,009 --> 01:33:08,709
mean all of this really wild and crazy

2271
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:11,019
stuff that a lot of UFO people now

2272
01:33:16,469 --> 01:33:13,090
believe without even knowing where the

2273
01:33:18,449 --> 01:33:16,479
origins come from to begin with so the

2274
01:33:21,330 --> 01:33:18,459
Air Force needs to answer were they

2275
01:33:23,909 --> 01:33:21,340
aware of Dodi doing this some of it was

2276
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:23,919
very public and that they need to answer

2277
01:33:29,639 --> 01:33:27,610
for did the Dodi did get demoted at one

2278
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:29,649
point later in his career was this

2279
01:33:33,449 --> 01:33:31,510
because they discovered what he was up

2280
01:33:36,029 --> 01:33:33,459
to and he got in trouble for that they

2281
01:33:38,129 --> 01:33:36,039
won't tell anybody the other thing is

2282
01:33:40,589 --> 01:33:38,139
they have responsibility when it comes

2283
01:33:43,259 --> 01:33:40,599
to the mj-12 documents in fact they were

2284
01:33:45,389 --> 01:33:43,269
sent the mj-12 documents by a senator

2285
01:33:47,250 --> 01:33:45,399
and i forget his name who was looking

2286
01:33:49,319 --> 01:33:47,260
into all of this and was saying hey

2287
01:33:52,049 --> 01:33:49,329
what's up with this you know essentially

2288
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:52,059
the implication was you're responsible

2289
01:33:57,060 --> 01:33:54,729
for these mj-12 documents i want you to

2290
01:33:59,969 --> 01:33:57,070
respond to this their response was just

2291
01:34:02,370 --> 01:33:59,979
to write bogus on top of the documents

2292
01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:02,380
and send them back and that's it well

2293
01:34:05,969 --> 01:34:03,820
that wasn't a question we knew they were

2294
01:34:09,239 --> 01:34:05,979
bogus what what needs to be answer is

2295
01:34:11,299 --> 01:34:09,249
why is your guy Dody the guy who put

2296
01:34:13,770 --> 01:34:11,309
this out there these hoaxes you know

2297
01:34:15,509 --> 01:34:13,780
alleged government official government

2298
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:15,519
documents that's what they need to

2299
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:18,639
answer to were they aware why did this

2300
01:34:22,529 --> 01:34:20,530
happen what did they do about it when

2301
01:34:24,989 --> 01:34:22,539
they found out they really need to fess

2302
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:24,999
up with all of this and you know the two

2303
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:27,249
of the stars guys have the connections

2304
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,260
to get those answers so I hope we do get

2305
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:30,880
some of those answers because everybody

2306
01:34:34,649 --> 01:34:32,649
assumes Dodi was working with the Air

2307
01:34:36,569 --> 01:34:34,659
Force we don't know for sure if he was

2308
01:34:39,719 --> 01:34:36,579
or not and that's what we need to figure

2309
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:39,729
out that's the timeframe you had

2310
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:41,090
mentioned Paul bennewitz

2311
01:34:47,919 --> 01:34:44,960
and he died in 2003 and a lot of folks

2312
01:34:51,339 --> 01:34:47,929
in the UFO community sort of blame Dodi

2313
01:34:55,419 --> 01:34:51,349
for bennewitz as the premature demise

2314
01:34:58,120 --> 01:34:55,429
and they already okay there is accurate

2315
01:35:01,419 --> 01:34:58,130
okay because there are 2003 Dodie Dodie

2316
01:35:03,310 --> 01:35:01,429
was out by that point all Hanyu we're

2317
01:35:05,709 --> 01:35:03,320
bringing this up because this was an

2318
01:35:07,839 --> 01:35:05,719
important question for us to ask you can

2319
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:07,849
you please lay down the reasons or

2320
01:35:12,729 --> 01:35:11,570
reason why he would be responsible in

2321
01:35:15,939 --> 01:35:12,739
any way shape or form

2322
01:35:18,430 --> 01:35:15,949
go ahead here's why he's responsible so

2323
01:35:20,350 --> 01:35:18,440
over the years we hear this from a lot

2324
01:35:23,950 --> 01:35:20,360
of people who work with Benowitz one of

2325
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:23,960
those people was dr. Leo sprinkle who

2326
01:35:27,729 --> 01:35:26,090
I've known very well and maybe you know

2327
01:35:30,879 --> 01:35:27,739
I should write about some of this

2328
01:35:35,050 --> 01:35:30,889
specifically but dr. Leo speaker was

2329
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:35,060
into abductions in fact he had an

2330
01:35:39,070 --> 01:35:37,520
abductee who he had regressed who said

2331
01:35:41,470 --> 01:35:39,080
that they were at a secret underground

2332
01:35:45,310 --> 01:35:41,480
base and bennewitz assumed that's gotta

2333
01:35:47,620 --> 01:35:45,320
be Dulce this is our connection but what

2334
01:35:49,390 --> 01:35:47,630
bennewitz or what Dodi said he would do

2335
01:35:52,089 --> 01:35:49,400
is he would break into bennewitz his

2336
01:35:54,339 --> 01:35:52,099
house and move things around while he

2337
01:35:56,649 --> 01:35:54,349
was gone so bennewitz would come home

2338
01:35:58,240 --> 01:35:56,659
and see things moved and he'd be like oh

2339
01:35:59,770 --> 01:35:58,250
my gosh sure maybe it was the aliens

2340
01:36:02,080 --> 01:35:59,780
maybe it's the Russians you know or

2341
01:36:04,419 --> 01:36:02,090
maybe it's the government the mj-12 is

2342
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:04,429
coming in and moving your stuff so that

2343
01:36:07,689 --> 01:36:07,070
create made Benowitz become extremely

2344
01:36:10,180 --> 01:36:07,699
paranoid

2345
01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:10,190
there were times where he would he would

2346
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:12,260
bring people over to have conversations

2347
01:36:18,490 --> 01:36:14,810
in his car and he would turn on the

2348
01:36:20,589 --> 01:36:18,500
radio he would carry a gun he would he

2349
01:36:22,899 --> 01:36:20,599
even actually when people came over to

2350
01:36:26,649 --> 01:36:22,909
the house would answer the door I guess

2351
01:36:28,570 --> 01:36:26,659
with his gun he would think that aliens

2352
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:28,580
were reading his mind he became

2353
01:36:36,490 --> 01:36:32,239
extremely paranoid and he had to be go

2354
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:36,500
into Institutes of facilities for for

2355
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,170
his paranormal several times and the

2356
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:41,840
last time it happened his family said

2357
01:36:48,910 --> 01:36:45,650
this is it you're done with UFOs because

2358
01:36:50,350 --> 01:36:48,920
he literally was going crazy I mean some

2359
01:36:52,780 --> 01:36:50,360
of the stories I've heard I can't recall

2360
01:36:54,939 --> 01:36:52,790
them all of some of the extreme paranoia

2361
01:36:56,859 --> 01:36:54,949
that he experienced

2362
01:36:59,319 --> 01:36:56,869
Dody this is he's almost like a

2363
01:37:02,620 --> 01:36:59,329
sociopath and and because he lies

2364
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:02,630
constantly almost you know it's really

2365
01:37:07,390 --> 01:37:05,570
that when I say this but it's true then

2366
01:37:08,319 --> 01:37:07,400
the record show this and he needs to

2367
01:37:10,779 --> 01:37:08,329
answer for it

2368
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:10,789
he has never shown any regret for what

2369
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:12,530
he's done he's just like willows ordered

2370
01:37:15,729 --> 01:37:14,449
to do it well that doesn't explain

2371
01:37:17,410 --> 01:37:15,739
anything that doesn't mean you don't

2372
01:37:19,569 --> 01:37:17,420
need to apologize

2373
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:19,579
nor do you it doesn't mean you need to

2374
01:37:23,859 --> 01:37:21,260
you should you know a normal person

2375
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:23,869
would feel bad making this person go

2376
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:26,239
crazy even if they were ordered to do

2377
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:29,570
these things so don't eat bennewitz

2378
01:37:34,660 --> 01:37:32,510
really did go crazy and finally his

2379
01:37:36,669 --> 01:37:34,670
family said you're done and they got him

2380
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:36,679
out of the UFO think it's right he

2381
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:39,650
didn't pass away till 2003 but some

2382
01:37:44,649 --> 01:37:41,090
accounts are he was never the same after

2383
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:44,659
all of this and he just had to leave the

2384
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:47,690
UFO field completely in the end because

2385
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:49,489
he was just he was going crazy there

2386
01:37:55,629 --> 01:37:52,400
drove this poor guy crazy yeah I don't

2387
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:55,639
mind saying this because I know this for

2388
01:38:00,370 --> 01:37:58,130
a fact for my first-hand experience

2389
01:38:02,469 --> 01:38:00,380
speaking to the people who are UFO

2390
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:02,479
researchers he's still out there trying

2391
01:38:08,529 --> 01:38:07,130
to we atom disinformation but I guess I

2392
01:38:10,180 --> 01:38:08,539
would still call it disinformation he's

2393
01:38:11,620 --> 01:38:10,190
a trained intelligence office or even if

2394
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:11,630
he's doing it for his own personal

2395
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:13,610
amusement not directly under government

2396
01:38:17,739 --> 01:38:14,690
orders I would still call it

2397
01:38:20,169 --> 01:38:17,749
disinformation he's a pro Alejandro do

2398
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,179
you think that he has any wall in the

2399
01:38:24,189 --> 01:38:22,400
construction of the recent documents

2400
01:38:27,129 --> 01:38:24,199
that have been released and are getting

2401
01:38:29,709 --> 01:38:27,139
a lot of attention including the alien

2402
01:38:31,870 --> 01:38:29,719
autopsy video the letter to Edgar

2403
01:38:33,250 --> 01:38:31,880
Mitchell and the smoking gun document do

2404
01:38:37,049 --> 01:38:33,260
you think he has any role in that I

2405
01:38:39,969 --> 01:38:37,059
don't know I don't know about this the

2406
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,979
the so-called smoking gun document if he

2407
01:38:45,399 --> 01:38:42,400
would have anything to do with that

2408
01:38:49,029 --> 01:38:45,409
certainly in that document a lot of the

2409
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:49,039
mythology's he created our referenced at

2410
01:38:53,709 --> 01:38:52,130
least mj-12 referenced in there I can't

2411
01:38:56,529 --> 01:38:53,719
remember yeah yeah there's some others

2412
01:38:59,049 --> 01:38:56,539
too that I'm familiar with the tying of

2413
01:39:02,469 --> 01:38:59,059
the Socorro case to the alleged Holloman

2414
01:39:04,779 --> 01:39:02,479
Air Force Base midnight that is in there

2415
01:39:07,330 --> 01:39:04,789
I warned about this stuff before the

2416
01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:07,340
documents even came out and I guess my

2417
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:09,550
warning fell on deaf

2418
01:39:14,410 --> 01:39:12,890
in this community some people want to

2419
01:39:15,700 --> 01:39:14,420
believe and they're just gonna believe

2420
01:39:17,740 --> 01:39:15,710
and there's nothing you can do about

2421
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:17,750
that and that's why that that's saying

2422
01:39:21,790 --> 01:39:20,090
from x-files I want to believe is so

2423
01:39:26,230 --> 01:39:21,800
important because so many people want to

2424
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:26,240
believe so badly and you know so you're

2425
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:28,370
right a lot of there are references to

2426
01:39:33,070 --> 01:39:30,530
those mythologies to what I believe are

2427
01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:33,080
debunked ideas that were in that

2428
01:39:36,370 --> 01:39:34,520
document that's why I have a problem

2429
01:39:38,740 --> 01:39:36,380
with that so-called you know smoking gun

2430
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:38,750
document but among other things many

2431
01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:41,330
other things but with the alien autopsy

2432
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:43,910
it's entirely possible Dodi was out

2433
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:46,940
there I guess he had it's legit that he

2434
01:39:51,940 --> 01:39:48,770
did a little bit of consulting with some

2435
01:39:54,580 --> 01:39:51,950
television shows so it's possible that

2436
01:39:56,260 --> 01:39:54,590
he had something to do that would do

2437
01:40:00,160 --> 01:39:56,270
with that but I don't know that for sure

2438
01:40:02,610 --> 01:40:00,170
I've never heard that so those could

2439
01:40:05,230 --> 01:40:02,620
have been just completely independent

2440
01:40:07,060 --> 01:40:05,240
those sort of tropes and plot devices

2441
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:07,070
they've been out there or nothing they

2442
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:08,960
could have been copied without question

2443
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:11,090
I mean I can see him coming like I said

2444
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:12,800
before they came out so that's certainly

2445
01:40:17,490 --> 01:40:15,410
possible but I am convinced whoever did

2446
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:17,500
put those together does have a

2447
01:40:23,290 --> 01:40:20,960
professional intelligence background way

2448
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:23,300
too much they did know too much no

2449
01:40:29,770 --> 01:40:27,050
question about that maybe Dodi uh it

2450
01:40:31,690 --> 01:40:29,780
should be noted at the OSI the Office of

2451
01:40:35,650 --> 01:40:31,700
Special Investigation is a law

2452
01:40:38,590 --> 01:40:35,660
enforcement organization so there they

2453
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:38,600
are really focusing on you know the Air

2454
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,570
Force and and law enforcement they have

2455
01:40:46,030 --> 01:40:44,000
very little intelligence work that they

2456
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:46,040
do really so that's not their primary

2457
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:47,810
thing so I think we have to remember

2458
01:40:51,070 --> 01:40:49,760
that too is that although it looks like

2459
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:51,080
he did to have some intelligence

2460
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:53,690
training because I do have his service

2461
01:40:58,420 --> 01:40:55,850
records all of which you can access

2462
01:41:00,730 --> 01:40:58,430
through the open mind my story of my

2463
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:00,740
open letter to the Air Force on this I

2464
01:41:06,220 --> 01:41:03,170
did a wing for them thank you because I

2465
01:41:09,850 --> 01:41:06,230
have links to all of my research all of

2466
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:09,860
my FOIA documents all his his you know

2467
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:14,080
service records all of that there so

2468
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:17,090
yeah mostly he was law enforcement so

2469
01:41:22,090 --> 01:41:19,370
how savvy he was around intelligence is

2470
01:41:24,250 --> 01:41:22,100
difficult to say but it's a

2471
01:41:26,590 --> 01:41:24,260
to note that if you look at and I think

2472
01:41:28,930 --> 01:41:26,600
this is for me very telling it's

2473
01:41:31,780 --> 01:41:28,940
speculation but if you look at the

2474
01:41:33,550 --> 01:41:31,790
documents that were early on such as

2475
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:33,560
this project Aquarius they're a mess

2476
01:41:40,990 --> 01:41:37,840
they're the grammar the ideas all

2477
01:41:44,860 --> 01:41:41,000
disorganized really silly silly goofy

2478
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:44,870
stuff but once author and researcher

2479
01:41:49,390 --> 01:41:48,080
bill Moore who work with Stan Friedman

2480
01:41:52,780 --> 01:41:49,400
and was the guy who wrote the first

2481
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:52,790
Roswell book once bill morg started

2482
01:41:57,670 --> 01:41:54,710
working and Bill Moore started working

2483
01:42:00,580 --> 01:41:57,680
in secret with Dodie the documents

2484
01:42:03,940 --> 01:42:00,590
became much better written much more

2485
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:03,950
polished and clean and funny enough a

2486
01:42:09,370 --> 01:42:07,030
lot of the information matched what

2487
01:42:11,260 --> 01:42:09,380
Stanton Friedman and he were writing

2488
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:11,270
about or researching when it came to

2489
01:42:15,010 --> 01:42:12,650
Roswell and other things

2490
01:42:17,740 --> 01:42:15,020
do I believe Sam Freeman had any idea

2491
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:17,750
what about any of this no and I and

2492
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,450
fortunately and I do have some debates

2493
01:42:25,060 --> 01:42:22,400
that I did with him where I did discuss

2494
01:42:27,340 --> 01:42:25,070
this with him unfortunately I think he

2495
01:42:28,990 --> 01:42:27,350
had kind of a blind eye to all of that

2496
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:29,000
he just didn't want anything to do with

2497
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:31,220
it he eventually discovered it he

2498
01:42:34,660 --> 01:42:33,050
already thought bill Moore was

2499
01:42:36,610 --> 01:42:34,670
unscrupulous and didn't want to work

2500
01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:36,620
with them so he just wanted to ignore

2501
01:42:40,510 --> 01:42:38,510
his whole chapter of his life working

2502
01:42:45,610 --> 01:42:40,520
with building the more essentially yeah

2503
01:42:47,890 --> 01:42:45,620
yeah when we had Stanton on last year he

2504
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:47,900
definitely breast over the the bill more

2505
01:42:55,930 --> 01:42:54,170
question pretty quick and in my video on

2506
01:42:58,120 --> 01:42:55,940
that link that you gave I have a video

2507
01:42:59,980 --> 01:42:58,130
where I interviewed him about this topic

2508
01:43:02,500 --> 01:42:59,990
in particular and I really grilled him

2509
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:02,510
and he was open to it you know he and I

2510
01:43:07,450 --> 01:43:05,930
were really good friends so he we you

2511
01:43:10,150 --> 01:43:07,460
know I love Stanton and we got along

2512
01:43:12,250 --> 01:43:10,160
very well so and I certainly would not

2513
01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:12,260
do anything to disrespect him in any way

2514
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:14,540
but you know this is research and he

2515
01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:16,610
loves debating he absolutely loved

2516
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:18,830
debating even this topic even though

2517
01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:20,570
he'd really didn't like getting into it

2518
01:43:25,540 --> 01:43:22,550
so I grilled him on it and you could see

2519
01:43:28,270 --> 01:43:25,550
that in the video where he admits to to

2520
01:43:32,260 --> 01:43:28,280
some of my findings but he had his own

2521
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:32,270
kind of perspective on things but okay

2522
01:43:35,470 --> 01:43:34,010
yeah he it was really a blind spot for

2523
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:35,480
him I feel well

2524
01:43:40,979 --> 01:43:36,890
to bring up a few things and that is

2525
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:40,989
Alejandro said that the FBI had

2526
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:43,450
basically if you go to the FBI's a

2527
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:46,489
library of archived documents you will

2528
01:43:51,820 --> 01:43:49,760
see exactly what Alejandro said when he

2529
01:43:54,220 --> 01:43:51,830
referred to these mj-12 documents as

2530
01:43:56,050 --> 01:43:54,230
having the word bogus written on them

2531
01:43:59,020 --> 01:43:56,060
it's literally written on them with

2532
01:44:02,260 --> 01:43:59,030
marker and also wanted to mention

2533
01:44:05,710 --> 01:44:02,270
something else and that is Dodi was

2534
01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:05,720
demoted late in his USAF career but it's

2535
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:07,550
still unclear why can you touch on that

2536
01:44:11,979 --> 01:44:10,130
a little bit yeah I mean he's got this

2537
01:44:14,620 --> 01:44:11,989
weird claim that essentially this

2538
01:44:18,610 --> 01:44:14,630
another I think which sounds like a BS

2539
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:18,620
story of he had this source or something

2540
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:23,090
in in Germany and he he was told to like

2541
01:44:29,979 --> 01:44:26,210
do something which would which would

2542
01:44:31,780 --> 01:44:29,989
jeopardize the sources safety and he

2543
01:44:34,180 --> 01:44:31,790
decided you know this whole harrowing

2544
01:44:36,130 --> 01:44:34,190
story of how he saved his sources life

2545
01:44:39,190 --> 01:44:36,140
and blah blah blah despite what his

2546
01:44:41,850 --> 01:44:39,200
superiors told him I don't believe it

2547
01:44:47,470 --> 01:44:41,860
for one second and I I may seem harsh

2548
01:44:48,820 --> 01:44:47,480
but I'll save every time though and you

2549
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:48,830
could look at the history I've got lots

2550
01:44:53,620 --> 01:44:51,170
of records of it if you look it up even

2551
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:53,630
with Linda Howe who I don't believe is a

2552
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:56,210
liar I don't agree with you know a lot

2553
01:44:59,170 --> 01:44:57,530
of her conclusions especially around

2554
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:59,180
some of this but I don't think she's a

2555
01:45:03,070 --> 01:45:00,080
liar at all

2556
01:45:06,190 --> 01:45:03,080
everyone who interviews him or interacts

2557
01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:06,200
with him he says is a liar even recently

2558
01:45:10,180 --> 01:45:07,310
some people have written some articles

2559
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:10,190
or from interviews with him and he says

2560
01:45:14,440 --> 01:45:12,050
that's not what I said he says that

2561
01:45:16,930 --> 01:45:14,450
about every interview that they made up

2562
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:16,940
they lied I never said those things he's

2563
01:45:22,930 --> 01:45:19,610
a liar wherever it out pretty much every

2564
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:22,940
case the interview her is a very

2565
01:45:27,130 --> 01:45:25,370
credible source who doesn't lie or make

2566
01:45:29,140 --> 01:45:27,140
up or have motivation to make anything

2567
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:29,150
up he's the one who's made stuff up so

2568
01:45:33,550 --> 01:45:31,850
he changes his story all of the time and

2569
01:45:35,380 --> 01:45:33,560
you can never pin him down so you can't

2570
01:45:37,090 --> 01:45:35,390
really trust anything he says that's why

2571
01:45:39,070 --> 01:45:37,100
I've never interviewed him because

2572
01:45:41,380 --> 01:45:39,080
there's no use he just gave me a

2573
01:45:43,900 --> 01:45:41,390
different story and then if I don't have

2574
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:43,910
it an audio interview Co say I lied and

2575
01:45:48,850 --> 01:45:46,850
I made it all up so that's why I don't

2576
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:48,860
interview him I don't see a reason to

2577
01:45:54,010 --> 01:45:50,239
but today I don't think you can really

2578
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:54,020
trust anything he says I wanted to I

2579
01:45:57,790 --> 01:45:55,489
touched on something in Frank by the way

2580
01:46:00,010 --> 01:45:57,800
can you check us Skype chat hallo Hondo

2581
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:00,020
I wanted to actually bring up a

2582
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:01,850
something that's not related to the

2583
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,130
topic were discussing here and that is

2584
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:06,800
that UFO Megacon which was a March 24

2585
01:46:10,689 --> 01:46:08,210
through the 30th of this year in

2586
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:10,699
Laughlin Nevada at the Aquarius hotel

2587
01:46:17,709 --> 01:46:14,800
Dodie actually was a speaker there and

2588
01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:17,719
he was one of the UFO Megacon presenters

2589
01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:20,420
we did have a few people a few friends

2590
01:46:23,890 --> 01:46:22,280
of ours who went to that event and they

2591
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,900
were talking about how disheartened they

2592
01:46:29,010 --> 01:46:25,600
were to see that there was a platform

2593
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:29,020
allowed for him to be able to discuss

2594
01:46:33,490 --> 01:46:31,310
really anything on how do you feel about

2595
01:46:36,580 --> 01:46:33,500
that what is your thought process on

2596
01:46:41,020 --> 01:46:36,590
that I think it's sad I don't know why I

2597
01:46:42,129 --> 01:46:41,030
know that well I guess you know people

2598
01:46:44,260 --> 01:46:42,139
can believe whatever they want to

2599
01:46:46,330 --> 01:46:44,270
believe and perhaps the people who put

2600
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:46,340
together that conference believe that he

2601
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:49,070
has some legitimate information to share

2602
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:52,489
I think that and if that's the case what

2603
01:46:57,310 --> 01:46:55,280
can you do but it is unfortunate because

2604
01:47:01,750 --> 01:46:57,320
all he did was get up there and share

2605
01:47:04,570 --> 01:47:01,760
more far-fetched wild stories that a lot

2606
01:47:05,950 --> 01:47:04,580
of people thought hook line & sinker but

2607
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:05,960
what's interesting is some of these

2608
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:07,489
people who said oh I thought he was

2609
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:09,050
really interesting and went and

2610
01:47:13,300 --> 01:47:11,330
interviewed him and then posted their

2611
01:47:15,820 --> 01:47:13,310
interviews with him he's done the same

2612
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:15,830
thing again if you go look at his

2613
01:47:19,810 --> 01:47:17,570
Twitter or his social media he said I

2614
01:47:21,340 --> 01:47:19,820
never said that even though these are

2615
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:21,350
people who liked him and liked what he

2616
01:47:24,490 --> 01:47:23,119
said he's like no they're lying I never

2617
01:47:27,459 --> 01:47:24,500
said those things that they're saying

2618
01:47:30,820 --> 01:47:27,469
I'm saying so did he say that they say

2619
01:47:32,830 --> 01:47:30,830
that we know specifically that the ETS

2620
01:47:34,780 --> 01:47:32,840
are from say to Reticuli did he go with

2621
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:34,790
that one I don't know I don't know to be

2622
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:39,650
honest yeah I didn't pay attention to

2623
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:42,530
his details of whatever he shared with

2624
01:47:46,660 --> 01:47:44,449
people but I didn't notice that he said

2625
01:47:48,700 --> 01:47:46,670
he called some more people interviewers

2626
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:48,710
liars who had talked to him even people

2627
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:50,449
who had thought they they felt he was

2628
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:54,110
incredible which he's I don't I it's

2629
01:47:59,080 --> 01:47:55,610
it's shocking that people would feel

2630
01:48:01,240 --> 01:47:59,090
that way but hey to each their own right

2631
01:48:02,069 --> 01:48:01,250
Frank do you want to go ahead and bring

2632
01:48:05,850 --> 01:48:02,079
on the next

2633
01:48:08,339 --> 01:48:05,860
and please check Skype check skype chat

2634
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:08,349
yeah yeah I can't do both at the same

2635
01:48:15,660 --> 01:48:11,770
time but yeah Alejandro just as far as

2636
01:48:18,180 --> 01:48:15,670
the show goes or how it went or what did

2637
01:48:19,260 --> 01:48:18,190
it it exceeded my expectations I usually

2638
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:19,270
go into these with pretty low

2639
01:48:23,549 --> 01:48:22,000
expectations what what were your

2640
01:48:27,709 --> 01:48:23,559
feelings when everything was said and

2641
01:48:31,260 --> 01:48:27,719
done Oh with unidentified yes sir

2642
01:48:33,810 --> 01:48:31,270
historic groundbreaking some of the best

2643
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:33,820
stuff probably the best UFO television

2644
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:38,770
show ever I would say I know now you

2645
01:48:42,299 --> 01:48:40,449
know to be honest I think there's been

2646
01:48:44,580 --> 01:48:42,309
some good shows in the in the past the

2647
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:44,590
other one I particularly liked was the

2648
01:48:48,689 --> 01:48:47,290
UFO FILES and I think that might have

2649
01:48:49,859 --> 01:48:48,699
been the History Channel back in the day

2650
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:49,869
and you know who was one of the

2651
01:48:54,419 --> 01:48:52,570
producers on that John Greenwald and I

2652
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:54,429
gotta give him kudos for his work on

2653
01:48:59,220 --> 01:48:57,760
that but that was a really great show

2654
01:49:02,490 --> 01:48:59,230
where they covered some really good

2655
01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:02,500
cases very straightforward but this show

2656
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:05,860
was like that however you were hearing

2657
01:49:11,819 --> 01:49:09,760
firsthand from some officials from very

2658
01:49:13,979 --> 01:49:11,829
important people oh my gosh look who's

2659
01:49:17,010 --> 01:49:13,989
coming in the famous pumpkin is coming

2660
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:17,020
in to say hi but you know you heard

2661
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:20,920
firsthand from a current navy active

2662
01:49:26,939 --> 01:49:24,489
Navy personnel so highly highly credible

2663
01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:26,949
so I think you know even when we watched

2664
01:49:31,979 --> 01:49:30,550
the first episode Karen was like wow she

2665
01:49:33,930 --> 01:49:31,989
was like I guess you know she heard the

2666
01:49:35,970 --> 01:49:33,940
stories but when it was all put together

2667
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:35,980
like that she was like this is like the

2668
01:49:40,649 --> 01:49:38,590
best UFO show out there and I was still

2669
01:49:43,319 --> 01:49:40,659
hesitant to say that back then I'm like

2670
01:49:44,339 --> 01:49:43,329
well I need to see some more but yeah

2671
01:49:46,649 --> 01:49:44,349
she really loved it

2672
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:46,659
hi I'm miss stopping in yeah I just

2673
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:48,550
thought I had heard the story before but

2674
01:49:53,010 --> 01:49:50,170
until I saw it you know

2675
01:49:55,950 --> 01:49:53,020
pictured and described in such detail it

2676
01:49:57,330 --> 01:49:55,960
really came you know it was so easy to

2677
01:49:58,890 --> 01:49:57,340
see it then and it was like so

2678
01:50:01,620 --> 01:49:58,900
overwhelming like wow these people saw

2679
01:50:03,089 --> 01:50:01,630
this giant 40-foot tic-tac thing doing

2680
01:50:05,790 --> 01:50:03,099
all these weird things that must have

2681
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:05,800
been incredible yeah so it really kind

2682
01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:08,770
of I think I think it was incredible

2683
01:50:13,890 --> 01:50:11,710
yeah I thought it was great overall the

2684
01:50:15,780 --> 01:50:13,900
only thing that I unit were they only

2685
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:15,790
the only time they get in trouble

2686
01:50:20,820 --> 01:50:18,130
it's when they stray from cases that are

2687
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,830
kind of that they directly investigated

2688
01:50:24,110 --> 01:50:22,480
so when they go kind of into the

2689
01:50:26,580 --> 01:50:24,120
historical parts in particular

2690
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:26,590
Rendlesham and then at the end with this

2691
01:50:30,510 --> 01:50:29,290
Italian case that's where you know they

2692
01:50:31,980 --> 01:50:30,520
get in a little bit of trouble because

2693
01:50:34,140 --> 01:50:31,990
there's a lot of research you have to

2694
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:34,150
pay attention for all of that but Lou's

2695
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:35,650
been really cool he's like if you see

2696
01:50:40,980 --> 01:50:38,530
anything that is inaccurate or that you

2697
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:40,990
think is kind of that we screwed up on

2698
01:50:44,430 --> 01:50:43,210
let me know because I want to know and I

2699
01:50:46,290 --> 01:50:44,440
want to correct it and I want to know

2700
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:46,300
what the correct information is so I

2701
01:50:49,530 --> 01:50:48,250
have not been very honest with him and

2702
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:49,540
I'll shoot him emails and say hey you

2703
01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:52,210
guys screwed this up and and then he'll

2704
01:50:57,090 --> 01:50:53,860
usually call and want to talk about it

2705
01:50:59,700 --> 01:50:57,100
to make sure that he he understands what

2706
01:51:00,840 --> 01:50:59,710
the details are because he admits over

2707
01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:00,850
and over again he doesn't know much

2708
01:51:04,650 --> 01:51:02,980
about UFO history just focused on what

2709
01:51:07,860 --> 01:51:04,660
he was tasked to look at which were

2710
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,870
these military UFO cases and any word

2711
01:51:12,570 --> 01:51:09,760
that you're hearing as far as a season

2712
01:51:18,050 --> 01:51:12,580
two is concerned I don't know I keep

2713
01:51:24,750 --> 01:51:20,910
rumors out there and that there will be

2714
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:24,760
at season two but I think that that is

2715
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:27,610
looking more more like that might just

2716
01:51:31,740 --> 01:51:29,650
be wishful thinking I'm not saying there

2717
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:31,750
won't be a season two but I'm just

2718
01:51:37,530 --> 01:51:33,610
saying that I don't think we have any

2719
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:37,540
official or real strong information that

2720
01:51:42,210 --> 01:51:40,180
there will be a season two looking at

2721
01:51:44,820 --> 01:51:42,220
the ratings you would think that there

2722
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:44,830
would be yeah ladies were decent the

2723
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:46,090
ratings were good and they they held

2724
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:48,730
that ancient aliens audience for most of

2725
01:51:52,860 --> 01:51:50,590
the shows and I think there were one or

2726
01:51:55,590 --> 01:51:52,870
two that actually exceeded the lead in

2727
01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:55,600
which is right for TV right that's great

2728
01:51:59,370 --> 01:51:57,820
the the issue will be and I'm sure the

2729
01:52:01,470 --> 01:51:59,380
production companies are a History

2730
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:01,480
Channel thinking of this is do they have

2731
01:52:06,750 --> 01:52:04,570
enough for a season two and a season

2732
01:52:08,130 --> 01:52:06,760
three and to be honest I would I feel

2733
01:52:09,690 --> 01:52:08,140
the same thing because if they're gonna

2734
01:52:13,380 --> 01:52:09,700
get into historical cases

2735
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,390
first of all credible coverage of

2736
01:52:17,820 --> 01:52:16,000
historical cases we've had great shows

2737
01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:17,830
like that before that just don't do well

2738
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:19,510
people kind of like the really wild

2739
01:52:25,260 --> 01:52:22,480
stuff more so unless they're covering

2740
01:52:26,970 --> 01:52:25,270
some information that is as current and

2741
01:52:28,450 --> 01:52:26,980
mind-blowing that nobody's ever heard

2742
01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:28,460
before

2743
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:30,980
you know that I could see why perhaps it

2744
01:52:36,310 --> 01:52:34,370
wouldn't go on to mention you may have

2745
01:52:37,959 --> 01:52:36,320
already touched on this my audio is

2746
01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:37,969
breaking up sorry it's my fault if

2747
01:52:41,410 --> 01:52:39,409
you've already talked about this

2748
01:52:43,209 --> 01:52:41,420
Alejandro but you had an exclusive

2749
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:43,219
interview with unidentified executive

2750
01:52:48,669 --> 01:52:46,000
producer showrunner Anthony lap and

2751
01:52:50,110 --> 01:52:48,679
wanted to ask you a little bit about

2752
01:52:52,270 --> 01:52:50,120
that do you mind just touching on that

2753
01:52:53,590 --> 01:52:52,280
again if you already have I'm sorry oh

2754
01:52:55,959 --> 01:52:53,600
no problem

2755
01:52:58,570 --> 01:52:55,969
it's pronounced lepay and I know that

2756
01:53:00,580 --> 01:52:58,580
because one of my listeners was like you

2757
01:53:03,729 --> 01:53:00,590
really screwed up his name how dare you

2758
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:03,739
and I think it was a french-canadian and

2759
01:53:07,930 --> 01:53:05,810
I'm glad I was corrected because I would

2760
01:53:09,850 --> 01:53:07,940
prefer to pronounce it correctly so I'm

2761
01:53:13,149 --> 01:53:09,860
glad I was educated on that even if it

2762
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:13,159
was done somewhat harshly but that yeah

2763
01:53:18,910 --> 01:53:15,650
Anthony's really cool I mean he is an

2764
01:53:22,570 --> 01:53:18,920
investigative journalist he I think that

2765
01:53:24,669 --> 01:53:22,580
for the most part nobody can you know

2766
01:53:26,979 --> 01:53:24,679
investigate all of this stuff and get it

2767
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,989
right on on everything

2768
01:53:30,910 --> 01:53:28,880
certainly I screw up a lot and people

2769
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:30,920
call me out on it and I love it because

2770
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:33,920
then I can go correct myself but I think

2771
01:53:38,979 --> 01:53:36,050
they did an incredible job in their

2772
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:38,989
investigation a lot of their episodes

2773
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:41,360
were very similar to articles that

2774
01:53:46,450 --> 01:53:43,520
either I had written or George Knapp had

2775
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:46,460
written or there's a guy Tyler rogue

2776
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:48,290
away who writes for the war zone he's a

2777
01:53:52,959 --> 01:53:50,480
defense writer who has done some great

2778
01:53:54,729 --> 01:53:52,969
research on these cases and they covered

2779
01:53:57,970 --> 01:53:54,739
some of what was in his writings but

2780
01:53:59,530 --> 01:53:57,980
they would they didn't see a lot of this

2781
01:54:01,120 --> 01:53:59,540
stuff they didn't see any Tyler rogue

2782
01:54:02,830 --> 01:54:01,130
away staff Tyler rogue away is an

2783
01:54:05,500 --> 01:54:02,840
excellent researcher he should really

2784
01:54:08,830 --> 01:54:05,510
rebuild some really good stuff and the

2785
01:54:11,740 --> 01:54:08,840
show had figured out I've done the same

2786
01:54:13,540 --> 01:54:11,750
research and and discovered the same

2787
01:54:15,729 --> 01:54:13,550
things Tyler had on their own

2788
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:15,739
independently before our Tyler's

2789
01:54:20,740 --> 01:54:18,110
articles it just demonstrates what a

2790
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:20,750
great job they did researching for the

2791
01:54:26,620 --> 01:54:22,570
show I think an incredible job so

2792
01:54:28,689 --> 01:54:26,630
Anthony did a great job on that I think

2793
01:54:30,910 --> 01:54:28,699
that one of the other things he did he

2794
01:54:34,570 --> 01:54:30,920
wanted to bring credibility to it and

2795
01:54:35,979 --> 01:54:34,580
and they couldn't do any second takes so

2796
01:54:38,350 --> 01:54:35,989
if you thought some of the verbage was

2797
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:38,360
weird or some of luzon comments or

2798
01:54:43,180 --> 01:54:41,210
responses were weird it's because

2799
01:54:46,150 --> 01:54:43,190
if Liu said something like had a

2800
01:54:47,590 --> 01:54:46,160
reaction or anybody on the show and said

2801
01:54:49,420 --> 01:54:47,600
hey can I do that again I feel like I

2802
01:54:51,250 --> 01:54:49,430
screwed that up they would say nope no

2803
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:51,260
second takes they had a no second takes

2804
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:54,110
rule so you had just genuine reactions

2805
01:54:59,110 --> 01:54:56,570
and I think that came across because in

2806
01:55:03,430 --> 01:54:59,120
other shows where they do to do a second

2807
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:03,440
take you can tell you know so I think

2808
01:55:07,420 --> 01:55:05,210
they did a really good job with that I

2809
01:55:10,660 --> 01:55:07,430
think Anthony was excellent I think he

2810
01:55:12,750 --> 01:55:10,670
did a great job personally and Alejandro

2811
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:12,760
and Karen you guys were great today and

2812
01:55:16,990 --> 01:55:15,770
it was pretty good but yeah we're we are

2813
01:55:18,130 --> 01:55:17,000
going to have to do a second take if

2814
01:55:20,620 --> 01:55:18,140
it's okay with you so if you have a

2815
01:55:23,110 --> 01:55:20,630
couple more hours yeah I will be

2816
01:55:25,060 --> 01:55:23,120
interviewing them later on in August and

2817
01:55:26,650 --> 01:55:25,070
I wanted to mention to you Alejandro

2818
01:55:28,540 --> 01:55:26,660
just so you know throughout our entire

2819
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:28,550
discussion I've been providing everybody

2820
01:55:32,530 --> 01:55:30,770
with the links relevant to every single

2821
01:55:34,690 --> 01:55:32,540
topic you've brought up including

2822
01:55:37,090 --> 01:55:34,700
articles that you've written and also

2823
01:55:39,970 --> 01:55:37,100
including that Tyler rogue away article

2824
01:55:40,750 --> 01:55:39,980
- great thank you so much but thanks for

2825
01:55:42,610 --> 01:55:40,760
having us on

2826
01:55:48,370 --> 01:55:42,620
oops and I'm sorry we can't do a retake

2827
01:55:51,850 --> 01:55:48,380
I've got to go well we're very excited

2828
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:51,860
also about UFO Congress this year yeah

2829
01:55:58,300 --> 01:55:55,010
and I invite everybody and I really

2830
01:55:59,470 --> 01:55:58,310
recommend if you want to have the

2831
01:56:02,410 --> 01:55:59,480
experience of a lifetime

2832
01:56:04,900 --> 01:56:02,420
make lifetime friendships and also learn

2833
01:56:07,180 --> 01:56:04,910
more about the topic of ufology from

2834
01:56:09,729 --> 01:56:07,190
serious researchers please attend this

2835
01:56:11,290 --> 01:56:09,739
conference which is considered one of

2836
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:11,300
the biggest if not the biggest on the

2837
01:56:16,900 --> 01:56:13,850
planet in Phoenix Arizona you can go to

2838
01:56:22,690 --> 01:56:16,910
triple W UFO Congress com you can also

2839
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:22,700
go to openminds.tv/radio and interviews

2840
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:25,610
with people who are high-profile in the

2841
01:56:29,410 --> 01:56:27,920
world of ufology and have a lot of

2842
01:56:31,450 --> 01:56:29,420
really important things to talk about

2843
01:56:35,470 --> 01:56:31,460
regarding the trending and current

2844
01:56:37,450 --> 01:56:35,480
topics in your UFO done so to speak the

2845
01:56:40,590 --> 01:56:37,460
topic that we all love to cover every

2846
01:56:42,910 --> 01:56:40,600
day and you'll get to meet you Hannah -

2847
01:56:45,340 --> 01:56:42,920
you'll also get to meet Karen Burrard

2848
01:56:47,290 --> 01:56:45,350
and she's learning owner of UFO Congress

2849
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:47,300
and we thoroughly enjoyed having a

2850
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:49,130
privilege and honor of interviewing both

2851
01:56:52,990 --> 01:56:50,480
of you today thank you so much for

2852
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:53,000
having been on our show thanks a lot of

2853
01:56:58,700 --> 01:56:55,110
fun thank you thanks a lot

2854
01:57:02,690 --> 01:56:58,710
and let's wrap this up we will be back I

2855
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:02,700
believe on Sunday with Dean Alioto and

2856
01:57:08,990 --> 01:57:06,290
Keith Arum and that is about it